Torque slippage question
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Torque slippage question
Hey guy's, I need someone to figure my converter slippage. PG,8" conv,4.30 gears,31.5 tires,7400rpm at the line at 140 mph
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Re: Torque slippage question
http://www.tciauto.com/Pages/418/calculators.aspx
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Re: Torque slippage question
Rick,
I put in your numbers at the TCI site and it looks like 15.241% slippage if i put everything in right.Try it also and see if you come up with the same thing.
Later Mark.
I put in your numbers at the TCI site and it looks like 15.241% slippage if i put everything in right.Try it also and see if you come up with the same thing.
Later Mark.
Mark Miller- Posts : 1959
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Re: Torque slippage question
That's way too much IMO, 8" has no place in there.
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Re: Torque slippage question
richter69 wrote:That's way too much IMO, 8" has no place in there.
I agree Jon,I finally listened to the video last nite that Sooz took from the stands at half track and it slipped all the way through. I will order a new 9.5 as soon as my RC budget builds up
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Same Problem here, My 8" is at 28%..... . RC budget is low here this year too, No O freakin' T at work.
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also what kind of rpm drop on the shift?
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MINE COMES OUT TO -45% what im i doing wrong
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bruno wrote:MINE COMES OUT TO -45% what im i doing wrong
not enough Coffee yet?
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what input do i need on my tranny gear ?
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Re: Torque slippage question
high gear is 1:1 or 1
Yep not enough coffee yet.......
Yep not enough coffee yet.......
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now its coming up with -1.5%
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Re: Torque slippage question
Mark Miller wrote:Rick,
I put in your numbers at the TCI site and it looks like 15.241% slippage if i put everything in right.Try it also and see if you come up with the same thing.
Later Mark.
X2, that's exactly what I got as well. Our 8" Chance converter had 5%.......
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I MUST JUST HAVE A BAD AZZ CONVERTOR
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..or you rpm number is wrong, hard to read a tach at the speed...................this is where a playback type is very usefull.
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What did you type in for trans. ratio? I put 1 to 1 and it just said nan What is a realistic % slippage number for my combo
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I had to use just the single 1
to get what they came up with
to get what they came up with
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bbf-falcon wrote:What did you type in for trans. ratio? I put 1 to 1 and it just said nan What is a realistic % slippage number for my combo
I see right around 4%, its a bit snug but the deal sure works. With a lower slip % the car might want a steeper gear though..........its a balance act, but one that's just as important to get the car down the track as an engine's power output is important as well.
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bruno wrote:I MUST JUST HAVE A BAD AZZ CONVERTOR
Nick if you doing the math off the hose , that number may be correct if your running a tight NOS converter.........
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I wouldn't think you could achieve a slipage rate less than 0%???
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Mine figured out to -1.121
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IDT-572 wrote:bruno wrote:I MUST JUST HAVE A BAD AZZ CONVERTOR
Nick if you doing the math off the hose , that number may be correct if your running a tight NOS converter.........
Nick's got one of then new fangled Jap overdrive converters..........
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Re: Torque slippage question
You guys are forgetting an important factor.........tire growth.
1-1.5"+ on a 28 or 29.5 tire at 150+ mph......not sure on a W tire
1-1.5"+ on a 28 or 29.5 tire at 150+ mph......not sure on a W tire
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Slip me a 10
Hey Rick,
What does your converter flash stall to?
Just curious.
To get a respectable stall and (maybe) a decent efficiency I had to go to a 10" converter.
After I re-jazzed my 514 a few years ago, I was on a mission to get a converter that would stall at about 5200. My engine was at peak torque at about 5000, so I thought that it would be good. A tight 8" was 5700+. I ordered a new 9" and it came out 5600.
I sent it back...for tightening, and ended up with 5500. I ended up trading it back to BTE for a 10" Top Sportsman converter. It was precisely 5200.
The 605 has between 9% and 11% of actual slippage (RacePak) right at the 1/4 mile mark with the same converter. That can vary with tune, wind and other unknown factors.
I plugged my numbers in to the TCI calculator and it says 10.37%, so it must be pretty accurate.
Mine is 4.30 gear - 33" tire - 7200 RPM @ 149MPH.
Just for reference. Maybe this information will help.
Thanks,
Keith
What does your converter flash stall to?
Just curious.
To get a respectable stall and (maybe) a decent efficiency I had to go to a 10" converter.
After I re-jazzed my 514 a few years ago, I was on a mission to get a converter that would stall at about 5200. My engine was at peak torque at about 5000, so I thought that it would be good. A tight 8" was 5700+. I ordered a new 9" and it came out 5600.
I sent it back...for tightening, and ended up with 5500. I ended up trading it back to BTE for a 10" Top Sportsman converter. It was precisely 5200.
The 605 has between 9% and 11% of actual slippage (RacePak) right at the 1/4 mile mark with the same converter. That can vary with tune, wind and other unknown factors.
I plugged my numbers in to the TCI calculator and it says 10.37%, so it must be pretty accurate.
Mine is 4.30 gear - 33" tire - 7200 RPM @ 149MPH.
Just for reference. Maybe this information will help.
Thanks,
Keith
Re: Torque slippage question
The Toyota core S98 unit is pretty bad ass, kind of in between a 9" and a 9.5, allows use of the good internals an 8" uses.
The harder I spin mine the harder it locks up, a 7400 rpm shift will rip your head off lol.
I want to say this is the same style unit Blake ended up with after 5 tries lol. Doug uses one in the Banana as well. They are not cheap but the converter is no plce to skimp, especially in a car with glide.
The harder I spin mine the harder it locks up, a 7400 rpm shift will rip your head off lol.
I want to say this is the same style unit Blake ended up with after 5 tries lol. Doug uses one in the Banana as well. They are not cheap but the converter is no plce to skimp, especially in a car with glide.
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