BEST CI FOR THE $$$$$$$$$$$$$

BRUNO SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP...

ive been 8.98 n/a with my eddies @ 3200 lbs .....so what no big deal ....who gives about a 508 dove head ....you guys act like its so special .......come on Brett P. builds numerous 900 plus iron headed truck pullin deals then add a ton of nitrous and put it in a 2600 lb grudge and walla you got a " grudge car " a freakin caveman can do that ..........


FACT; TONY 508 HAS WENT 9.20S

FACT IRON RODS

AND YES A DOVE HEAD, NOW FOR 2 REASONS I THINK THIS IS A GOOD BUILD ,1 ITS WAS NOT A LOT OF MONEY, IN FACT ABOUT 1/2 OF WHAT YOUR WAS. 2 , I BUILT IT,LOL


Now whats so bad about that,tony wanted an iron head engine I gave him one, ive done 5 of these.


Is it the best bang for the buck ? probaly not, but it was what the cust wanted.All stock parts

crank,rods,block,heads, yes i welded up and worked over the ports.

no since your said we think this is so great ? Why isn't it?

BOSS 429 wrote:BRUNO SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP...

ive been 8.98 n/a with my eddies @ 3200 lbs .....so what no big deal ....who gives about a 508 dove head ....you guys act like its so special .......come on Brett P. builds numerous 900 plus iron headed truck pullin deals then add a ton of nitrous and put it in a 2600 lb grudge and walla you got a " grudge car " a freakin caveman can do that ..........


FACT; TONY 508 HAS WENT 9.20S

FACT IRON RODS

AND YES A DOVE HEAD, NOW FOR 2 REASONS I THINK THIS IS A GOOD BUILD ,1 ITS WAS NOT A LOT OF MONEY, IN FACT ABOUT 1/2 OF WHAT YOUR WAS. 2 , I BUILT IT,LOL


Now whats so bad about that,tony wanted an iron head engine I gave him one, ive done 5 of these.


Is it the best bang for the buck ? probaly not, but it was what the cust wanted.All stock parts

crank,rods,block,heads, yes i welded up and worked over the ports.

no since your said we think this is so great ? Why isn't it?

I understand what you are saying, Rich.
However, when used equipment or parts of any kind are involved, monetary comparisons really aren't valid between them..
It is plain to see that you get a lot of power out of the dollar spent and THAT is what should be seen.

Just as an example, A pair of Super Stock D3's brazed on the exhaust and CNC ported on the intake yet filled back up again somewhere else in the ports to retain stock volume can cost over $4,000.00, before the cost of the T&D's. That certainly isn't the norm but, somebody somewhere will point out that instance as being used OEM iron heads.
Just saying that comparing apples to apples, with the same intended purpose in mind, is a big part of the equation.

We've all witnessed 800 horsepower engines go 10 seconds in the quarter mile because somebody thinks it is all about power and almost totally ignores the vehicle. The opposite is true too with 650 horsepower cars going low 9's.
Obviously, there are other heads out there which will give better performance with a lot less expenditure so, they aren't really comparable "money wise" or any way, really.

BOSS 429 wrote:BRUNO SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP...

ive been 8.98 n/a with my eddies @ 3200 lbs .....so what no big deal ....who gives about a 508 dove head ....you guys act like its so special .......come on Brett P. builds numerous 900 plus iron headed truck pullin deals then add a ton of nitrous and put it in a 2600 lb grudge and walla you got a " grudge car " a freakin caveman can do that ..........


FACT; TONY 508 HAS WENT 9.20S

FACT IRON RODS

AND YES A DOVE HEAD, NOW FOR 2 REASONS I THINK THIS IS A GOOD BUILD ,1 ITS WAS NOT A LOT OF MONEY, IN FACT ABOUT 1/2 OF WHAT YOUR WAS. 2 , I BUILT IT,LOL


Now whats so bad about that,tony wanted an iron head engine I gave him one, ive done 5 of these.


Is it the best bang for the buck ? probaly not, but it was what the cust wanted.All stock parts

crank,rods,block,heads, yes i welded up and worked over the ports.

no since your said we think this is so great ? Why isn't it?

Rich ,

like i said earlier this evening (per our conversation) , i can only congratulate you guys for building a fine iron headed 508 , are there badder iron headed deals out there , well we all know the answer to that question .....YES THERE IS ......but like you said it is a great bang for the buck , but lets compare apples to apples. Let say tony's car weights in at 2800lbs (grudge race ready) well that would compute to about 710 hp (wallace calc) and he is an expert on getting ss style cars down the track , i would say it is your average iron head deal .no offense you build great engines , but if it was 3200 lbs x275 deal ....know that would be a bad azz 508 ....but we all have our opinions , Tony has a strong performer , he is a hustler , and does his job well

good evening ive got to go and pull a calf

bump for a good deal.............

cleaned up the thread out of respect for the op

I went 5.70's with a stock block, flat top piston 557 with cat 4 bolt caps, stock 1970 ford heads. N/A

Fairly cheap deal.

bruno wrote:cleaned up the thread out of respect for the opp

You down with opp ???

yeah you know B

bump for a good deal...............

IDT-572 wrote:I went 5.70's with a stock block, flat top piston 557 with cat 4 bolt caps, stock 1970 ford heads. N/A

Fairly cheap deal.

I think something along these lines could be done fairly cheap. I've always been of the opinion that the most Ci you can build simplifies things. If your changing the stroke it costs no more to go from a 4.15 to a 4.5 stroke, your changing rods and pistons anyway. If you take Tonys 508 and put a 4.5 stroke in it, it will make more power given the level of everything else being equal and the cost would be negligible. The powerband may be lower, but if your doing a custom cam anyway then you make some changes to move it back up if so desired. Why do you keep posting bump for a good deal...?

IDT-572 wrote:I went 5.70's with a stock block, flat top piston 557 with cat 4 bolt caps, stock 1970 ford heads. N/A

Fairly cheap deal.

That's impressive. I'm a big fan of those iron CJ's. They added a bit on the nose. Were you at 3100 lbs?

Barney wrote:

IDT-572 wrote:I went 5.70's with a stock block, flat top piston 557 with cat 4 bolt caps, stock 1970 ford heads. N/A

Fairly cheap deal.

I think something along these lines could be done fairly cheap. I've always been of the opinion that the most Ci you can build simplifies things. If your changing the stroke it costs no more to go from a 4.15 to a 4.5 stroke, your changing rods and pistons anyway. If you take Tonys 508 and put a 4.5 stroke in it, it will make more power given the level of everything else being equal and the cost would be negligible. The powerband may be lower, but if your doing a custom cam anyway then you make some changes to move it back up if so desired. Why do you keep posting bump for a good deal...?

I didn't know I was bumping anything , just adding information, I'm lost.

IDT-572 wrote:

Barney wrote:

IDT-572 wrote:I went 5.70's with a stock block, flat top piston 557 with cat 4 bolt caps, stock 1970 ford heads. N/A

Fairly cheap deal.

I think something along these lines could be done fairly cheap. I've always been of the opinion that the most Ci you can build simplifies things. If your changing the stroke it costs no more to go from a 4.15 to a 4.5 stroke, your changing rods and pistons anyway. If you take Tonys 508 and put a 4.5 stroke in it, it will make more power given the level of everything else being equal and the cost would be negligible. The powerband may be lower, but if your doing a custom cam anyway then you make some changes to move it back up if so desired. Why do you keep posting bump for a good deal...?

I didn't know I was bumping anything , just adding information, I'm lost.

He was talking to fabio

Gary Blair wrote:

IDT-572 wrote:I went 5.70's with a stock block, flat top piston 557 with cat 4 bolt caps, stock 1970 ford heads. N/A

Fairly cheap deal.

That's impressive. I'm a big fan of those iron CJ's. They added a bit on the nose. Were you at 3100 lbs?

3105# if I remember right, I really am impressed with the power these old iron heads are capable of making.

I am doing another set now with bigger valves.

bruno wrote:

IDT-572 wrote:

Barney wrote:

IDT-572 wrote:I went 5.70's with a stock block, flat top piston 557 with cat 4 bolt caps, stock 1970 ford heads. N/A

Fairly cheap deal.

I think something along these lines could be done fairly cheap. I've always been of the opinion that the most Ci you can build simplifies things. If your changing the stroke it costs no more to go from a 4.15 to a 4.5 stroke, your changing rods and pistons anyway. If you take Tonys 508 and put a 4.5 stroke in it, it will make more power given the level of everything else being equal and the cost would be negligible. The powerband may be lower, but if your doing a custom cam anyway then you make some changes to move it back up if so desired. Why do you keep posting bump for a good deal...?

I didn't know I was bumping anything , just adding information, I'm lost.

He was talking to fabio

Fabio has been sniffing alky fumes to long.............. don't pay any attention to him Jason.

IDT-572 wrote:

bruno wrote:

IDT-572 wrote:

Barney wrote:

IDT-572 wrote:I went 5.70's with a stock block, flat top piston 557 with cat 4 bolt caps, stock 1970 ford heads. N/A

Fairly cheap deal.

I think something along these lines could be done fairly cheap. I've always been of the opinion that the most Ci you can build simplifies things. If your changing the stroke it costs no more to go from a 4.15 to a 4.5 stroke, your changing rods and pistons anyway. If you take Tonys 508 and put a 4.5 stroke in it, it will make more power given the level of everything else being equal and the cost would be negligible. The powerband may be lower, but if your doing a custom cam anyway then you make some changes to move it back up if so desired. Why do you keep posting bump for a good deal...?

I didn't know I was bumping anything , just adding information, I'm lost.

He was talking to fabio

Fabio has been sniffing alky fumes to long.............. don't pay any attention to him Jason.

Pass the M5 bong....... Dude!

Bump to figure Fabio's deal.......

know matter which way this thread goes , i just dont understanbd several statements from you gusy ..and i quote " so his 508 is 2 tenths slower then you n/a, you spent twice as much "
im confused by that statement , and i want to justify it to future bbf clients who are trying to understand these argummental threads .

1- my shit is prettier ....lol
2- my deal is faster
3- im 300 plus pounds heavier


you guys always want to compare my deal no big deal ....well lets compare .... lets hear the secret details of this cirle r 508 ?????? again i can garuantee that your are not comparing apples to apples ...... what is the true weight of this test vehicle 2600lbs, 2700lbs or 3200lbs ...that makes a big differnce as far as performance #s .......we need facts !!!! if everything was equal , weight wise then that 508 is one bad azz deal to run 9.20's n/a other wise its like saying i have a 508 that runs 8.90's in my dragster like i said so easy a caveman can do it ...are you guys comprehending all of this ???? that was my point earlier , not taking anything away from circle r , barney, tony and whom ever was involved

like is said i want us to be honest to our bbf family and not try to paint a grey area


with that being said Rich are you bringing your blue beauty out to us 43 ? i think ive got a little match race for you ..let me know if you are interested




oh and happy Mothers Day to all the mother's out there

Rich isn't bringing his car. I believe the last time it was on a scale it was right around 2880 with driver. His deal makes a tick over 800hp NA, BUT it is 100 percent set up to run on spray, and large amounts of it. I've always contented it would make more power with a 4.5 stroke and a different cam. But he doesn't have that so it is what it is. It doesn't have a vacuum pump or anything like that for obvious reasons and it runs ok and is fairly inexpensive for the power it makes(if you don't include time). Every uilds a little different so it hard to really compare side by side with anything unless they are identical( like if you had 2 3000# cars with both having 598 ahead motors with sing Dominators. As far as this thread, I've already said a motor with as many cubes as possible will typically make more power given similar levels of components.

ok Guys you want an impressive build here is one, Blake built a 514 4.15 stroke .080 over with D2ve heads home ported NO welding at all port matched victor with a 1050 dominator small roller 252/260 @ .050 with 650 lift on 110* with a power glide and 4.10 gears 10.5 x 28 slicks in a 3200 lb car ran 6.2 in the 1/8 all day long N/A...... this is with chambers as big as the grand canyon, everyone knows they are the worst head ford supposedly built..... NOW that is Impressive not some Highly modded welded up doves

and you say alot of Nos I suppose that means 400+

the Coug wrote:ok Guys you want an impressive build here is one, Blake built a 514 4.15 stroke .080 over with D2ve heads home ported NO welding at all port matched victor with a 1050 dominator small roller 252/260 @ .050 with 650 lift on 110* with a power glide and 4.10 gears 10.5 x 28 slicks in a 3200 lb car ran 6.2 in the 1/8 all day long N/A...... this is with chambers as big as the grand canyon, everyone knows they are the worst head ford supposedly built..... NOW that is Impressive not some Highly modded welded up doves

and you say alot of Nos I suppose that means 400+

That is impressive, yes the D0VES are highly modified, but the spray is 300+ it's a single plate and out of solenoid orifice. My 460 inch stock shortblock went mid to high 5s with a single plate, flat tappet cam, and " highly modified " D0VES at 3060.

Nick unless plans change my refigerator is getting pulled down there behind Rich's dually he will be "crewchief" for Jason and I, if we both go out early he will get to relax

bigblok2000ranger wrote:Nick unless plans change my refigerator is getting pulled down there behind Rich's dually he will be "crewchief" for Jason and I, if we both go out early he will get to relax

Not so fast there mister, he has more circle R members to pit bitch for.

342g wrote:

bigblok2000ranger wrote:Nick unless plans change my refigerator is getting pulled down there behind Rich's dually he will be "crewchief" for Jason and I, if we both go out early he will get to relax

Not so fast there mister, he has more circle R members to pit bitch for.

342g wrote:

bigblok2000ranger wrote:Nick unless plans change my refigerator is getting pulled down there behind Rich's dually he will be "crewchief" for Jason and I, if we both go out early he will get to relax

Not so fast there mister, he has more circle R members to pit bitch for.

how hard can an alcohol carb be to tune? I mean it can be twenty ways from f-cked up and still run its ass off.............I'm not baggin on ya Harold but your carb has been out tune for how many years now?

Hell I might have a complete terminator setup for with flow sheets and everything here soon...................