Eliminator Blocks Best Suited

Sportsman vs billet and cost is a consideration although not the deciding factor.

Lets use 800ish HP plus 250+Nos (X2maybe) on a street driven motor, limits?

Going only off of Eliminator's ratings, the Sportman shoud do it no problem, unless you really want that second kit. Basing it on hp alone, they rate that for ~1000

J.Toney wrote:Going only off of Eliminator's ratings, the Sportman shoud do it no problem, unless you really want that second kit. Basing it on hp alone, they rate that for ~1000

Street driven but Track raced...knowing myself I will say it will see 2-stages of NOS if not right away at some point. I removed the Premier and Ultra from the equation as not looking for 18-bolt . The extra $500.00 for the billet does sound like cheap insurance, besides the end caps, the A460 blocks are comparably priced and have a higher bore capacity...thoughts for the application.

no replacement for displacement.

kim wrote:no replacement for displacement.  

Can't argue that...Chalk one up for the A460

A460 ftw

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, the A460 blocks are comparably priced and have a higher bore capacity...thoughts for the application. [/quote]

Higher bore capable then the Sportsman..yes
Then the other Eliminator blocks, no.. Premiers have gone out to 4.700"

, the A460 blocks are comparably priced and have a higher bore capacity...thoughts for the application. [/quote]

Higher bore capable then the Sportsman..yes
Then the other Eliminator blocks, no.. Premiers have gone out to 4.700"[/quote]

Please elaborate, intentions and expectations listed above...educate me I want to spend the money right on the BBF as I mismanaged the money too many times to learn the SBF to get the end result, I deal with suppliers every day and all of their stuff is the latest greatest thing, I want the opinions of those who have used the products like You!

Well how big do you plan to build this monster? Any idea what stroke you want? Appears like your worried about something that doesn't matter when talking about the blocks in question.

cool40 wrote:Well how big do you plan to build this monster? Any idea what stroke you want?  Appears like your worried about something that doesn't matter when talking about the blocks in question.

Not a monster, originally thinking 4.3", thoughts are moving to 4.5" but I don't want to risk the investment in the two D9's I have now ...they are about as good as they are going to get. I want a block with a little safety margin without spending money going over the top on something far too capable.

FalconEh wrote:

cool40 wrote:Well how big do you plan to build this monster? Any idea what stroke you want?  Appears like your worried about something that doesn't matter when talking about the blocks in question.

Not a monster, originally thinking 4.3", thoughts are moving to 4.5" but I don't want to risk the investment in the two D9's I have now ...they are about as good as they are going to get. I want a block with a little safety margin without spending money going over the top on something far too capable.

To me, this question is more about bore, any of these blocks will do a a crank like your're talking. But bore is a big jump (4.500 sportaman, 4.6xx A-460, 4.700 ultra/premier)in choices. Generally watching trends and listening to smart experienced builders, bigger bores never hurt power production. As far as head bolts, 10 gets a lot done, and you might have to step up to another head if you "need" 18.
Next question to me would be....what cylinder head?
I'm in a similar situation, but I think I made my choice.
At some point, I would just say "I just need to build something for now, not 5 builds later".

Well..... IMO you build would work in a factory block with some caps....

But that being said, the better investment is the aftermarket block and you appear to be willing to make that investment. I'd go with the Top eliminator block if you have the $$$.

If you decide to get out later it will be worth a fair amount being good to 4.700.

J.Toney wrote:

FalconEh wrote:

cool40 wrote:Well how big do you plan to build this monster? Any idea what stroke you want?  Appears like your worried about something that doesn't matter when talking about the blocks in question.

Not a monster, originally thinking 4.3", thoughts are moving to 4.5" but I don't want to risk the investment in the two D9's I have now ...they are about as good as they are going to get. I want a block with a little safety margin without spending money going over the top on something far too capable.

To me, this question is more about bore, any of these blocks will do a a crank like your're talking. But bore is a big jump (4.500 sportaman, 4.6xx A-460, 4.700 ultra/premier)in choices. Generally watching trends and listening to smart experienced builders, bigger bores never hurt power production. As far as head bolts, 10 gets a lot done, and you might have to step up to another head if you "need" 18.
Next question to me would be....what cylinder head?
I'm in a similar situation, but I think I made my choice.
At some point, I would just say "I just need to build something for now, not 5 builds later".

dfree383 wrote:Well..... IMO you build would work in a factory block with some caps....

But that being said, the better investment is the aftermarket block and you appear to be willing to make that investment. I'd go with the Top eliminator block if you have the $$$.

If you decide to get out later it will be worth a fair amount being good to 4.700.

I want to stick to the 10-bolt block, as I was thinking of P-51's that could be used on one of my D9's until the next engine is built, gives me a little more interchangeability between parts.

cant you use your 10 bolt heads on a 18 bolt block ? would leave room to grow in the future if possible.

garys gt wrote:cant you use your 10 bolt heads on a 18 bolt block ? would leave room to grow in the future if possible.

Yep

My vote is short stroke big bore the ultra block at 4.600 start and 4.150 stroke the p51 heads if you like my choice be a-heads 1150 split dommys and 3 kits (why only 800hp) .....smart ass comment sorry just had to

garys gt wrote:cant you use your 10 bolt heads on a 18 bolt block ? would leave room to grow in the future if possible.

I did...

FalconEh wrote:

J.Toney wrote:

FalconEh wrote:

cool40 wrote:Well how big do you plan to build this monster? Any idea what stroke you want?  Appears like your worried about something that doesn't matter when talking about the blocks in question.

Not a monster, originally thinking 4.3", thoughts are moving to 4.5" but I don't want to risk the investment in the two D9's I have now ...they are about as good as they are going to get. I want a block with a little safety margin without spending money going over the top on something far too capable.

To me, this question is more about bore, any of these blocks will do a a crank like your're talking. But bore is a big jump (4.500 sportaman, 4.6xx A-460, 4.700 ultra/premier)in choices. Generally watching trends and listening to smart experienced builders, bigger bores never hurt power production. As far as head bolts, 10 gets a lot done, and you might have to step up to another head if you "need" 18.
Next question to me would be....what cylinder head?
I'm in a similar situation, but I think I made my choice.
At some point, I would just say "I just need to build something for now, not 5 builds later".

dfree383 wrote:Well..... IMO you build would work in a factory block with some caps....

But that being said, the better investment is the aftermarket block and you appear to be willing to make that investment. I'd go with the Top eliminator block if you have the $$$.

If you decide to get out later it will be worth a fair amount being good to 4.700.

I want to stick to the 10-bolt block, as I was thinking of P-51's that could be used on one of my D9's until the next engine is built, gives me a little more interchangeability between parts.

Why? The 18 bolt is an added feature.... All the 10 bolt heads work on them fine.

Besides I'm not sure any of the good aftermarket stuff is avaliable in 10 bolt only.

dfree383 wrote:Well..... IMO you build would work in a factory block with some caps....

But that being said, the better investment is the aftermarket block and you appear to be willing to make that investment. I'd go with the Top eliminator block if you have the $$$.

If you decide to get out later it will be worth a fair amount being good to 4.700.

I want to stick to the 10-bolt block, as I was thinking of P-51's that could be used on one of my D9's until the next engine is built, gives me a little more interchangeability between parts.[/quote]

Why? The 18 bolt is an added feature.... All the 10 bolt heads work on them fine.

Besides I'm not sure any of the good aftermarket stuff is avaliable in 10 bolt only.[/quote]

Not that familiar with the 18-bolt not an option for the 351C...Is the opposite true also?, can I use the 18 bolt heads on a 10-bolt block aka D9 (with NOS) because the A-460 heads could serve both purposes well. I do like the larger bore option as it open up a lot of opportunities with cu/in and piston varieties, and room to grow for the price difference the .200 is a bargin.

I believe the 18 bolt a460 heads will work with the 10 bolt block as long as you don't get the ones with the larger  2.40  intake valves. You can go to trick flow Web site and it will tell minimum Bore size on what ever head your looking at. Also tells flow numbers and other stuff. I believe that's correct but others here can tell more I am sure.

Yes, You can use 18 bolt heads on a 10 bolt block...

Thanks for you input guy's I appreciate it!

This will open up more options. I will spend some more time on their websites