Is this working set?
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Is this working set?
Id like to get opinions of this and if you have good ideas for this? Its coming street driven vehicle?
Tell me if im going really in the forrest
-base 429 crank, rods, pistons, block D1AE (im going to change this for 460)
-DOVE-C heads with K-lines, 2.19/1.76 stainless valves, (bumbs taken off at exhaust, intake factory), HD 7deg locks, HD retainers
-276/284 Lunati Voodoo, with .564/.582 lift and 1,5" lunati springs for this cam.
-Scorpion roller rockers 1.73
-Lunati Bracketmaster 2 pushrods
-Weiand stealth (non CJ) or Offy portosonic
-Hooker 1 7/8"
-750cfm Holley with vacuum sec.
-C6 with about 2500-2800 turbine
-3.5:1 rear end
-distributor and cdi box still open?
now i have to do this for resonable budget, but i have toughts to stroke it later for 501 or 514
Thanks
Kimmo
Tell me if im going really in the forrest
-base 429 crank, rods, pistons, block D1AE (im going to change this for 460)
-DOVE-C heads with K-lines, 2.19/1.76 stainless valves, (bumbs taken off at exhaust, intake factory), HD 7deg locks, HD retainers
-276/284 Lunati Voodoo, with .564/.582 lift and 1,5" lunati springs for this cam.
-Scorpion roller rockers 1.73
-Lunati Bracketmaster 2 pushrods
-Weiand stealth (non CJ) or Offy portosonic
-Hooker 1 7/8"
-750cfm Holley with vacuum sec.
-C6 with about 2500-2800 turbine
-3.5:1 rear end
-distributor and cdi box still open?
now i have to do this for resonable budget, but i have toughts to stroke it later for 501 or 514
Thanks
Kimmo
Last edited by Cyclone70 on June 14th 2010, 9:26 am; edited 1 time in total
Cyclone70- Posts : 25
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Re: Is this working set?
More info needed like:
Weight & type of vehicle
Typical use of this vehicle
RPM range / Max RPM
There are mostlikely more, but that's all that I can think of at the moment.
As I'm no where near an expert, but the one's that are will want to know these things to be able to help you.
Weight & type of vehicle
Typical use of this vehicle
RPM range / Max RPM
There are mostlikely more, but that's all that I can think of at the moment.
As I'm no where near an expert, but the one's that are will want to know these things to be able to help you.
The Pope- Posts : 126
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Re: Is this working set?
Maybe you could insert a 460 (3.85" stroke) crankshaft and piston combination. A really big "bang for the buck", and will provide plenty of everyday "street grunt"!
Dave.
Dave.
LivermoreDave- Posts : 972
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Re: Is this working set?
Its coming to 70 Cyclone
I could say only street use, but maybe i test it someday at strip, just for know where it goes, without needs to improve that...
i hope it works well in normal driving rpm range, else is more...
I have keep my eyes open to find crank, i just like to get balanced package because its pretty expensive job here and only 2 place what can do that.
I could say only street use, but maybe i test it someday at strip, just for know where it goes, without needs to improve that...
i hope it works well in normal driving rpm range, else is more...
I have keep my eyes open to find crank, i just like to get balanced package because its pretty expensive job here and only 2 place what can do that.
Cyclone70- Posts : 25
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Re: Is this working set?
Have you talked with Lem or Adney about getting a rotating assembly sent?
The combo looks decent and should run fine IMO.
The combo looks decent and should run fine IMO.
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Re: Is this working set?
Should work great. My DOVE-C heads have 2.12/1.76 and was told that was the max. The 460 crank and piston setup would give you more torque and would probably bring the power curve back 500 rpm's. Remember, you don't need to make a bunch of power at a high rpm if its for the street because your motor will never see those revs.
bb429power- Posts : 3129
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I havent ask Lem or Adney...at least not yet. I think those balanced rotating assemblies goes about 1300 or more its too much for now...if someone has an offer to make i could be interested?
Im trying to get answer at crites to get headers and motor mounts there, i have been contact only through email, because of my bad english, i just need to get them in Florida, there is a company that sends them to me.
Im trying to get answer at crites to get headers and motor mounts there, i have been contact only through email, because of my bad english, i just need to get them in Florida, there is a company that sends them to me.
Cyclone70- Posts : 25
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Re: Is this working set?
Installing large valves in the heads with out requisit port and bowl work is really a waste of time and money. Work the exhaust and the intake side especially with the larger voodoo cam you want to utilise...
Last edited by The Mad Porter on March 29th 2010, 11:55 am; edited 2 times in total (Reason for editing : spelling)
Re: Is this working set?
My builder put 2.12/1.76 valves on my D0VE-C heads and told me it was the biggest he could go. How big can you go with those heads?
bb429power- Posts : 3129
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Re: Is this working set?
As long as you don't go past the magical 4" threshold, you'll be fine. You can go 2.19 or 2.2 and 1.8 or 2.25 and 1.76 and be good. Any more and the valves will start clipping each other.
kjett- Posts : 1169
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bb429power wrote:My builder put 2.12/1.76 valves on my D0VE-C heads and told me it was the biggest he could go. How big can you go with those heads?
that is the biggest intake valve size you can go when using the STOCK PRODUCTION pistons, (or replacements), because the intake valve notches in them will not accept a larger intake valve.
IF the piston notches aren't in question then you can go larger.
Re: Is this working set?
Cyclone70 wrote:I havent ask Lem or Adney...at least not yet. I think those balanced rotating assemblies goes about 1300 or more its too much for now...if someone has an offer to make i could be interested?
Im trying to get answer at crites to get headers and motor mounts there, i have been contact only through email, because of my bad english, i just need to get them in Florida, there is a company that sends them to me.
A "production" early Ford 460 crank and replacement pistons are not near that amount of money and they will have factory balance with your connecting rods.
As Dave said, that is the least expensive power you are going to find anywhere.
Re: Is this working set?
I was worry about those valve size (just figuring scj pistons and valve sizes, but wasnt sure), thanks for that.
So i need to change at least pistons to use those heads? SCJ style would it work?
Does it help because i have that D1AE block??
I forget to but that, but i havent buy those heads yet and those valves are already installed in those heads, but there are other D0VE heads for sale where is also head job done with normal size stainless valves.
So i should buy crank and then i need pistons, i think i could find that crank.
The cylinders have bored .030 for cast pistons, so should i get that .030 forged pistons (so i dont need to bore, just hone for clearances), or just cast or hyper pistons?
thanks for great help and good comments, for my problems?
So i need to change at least pistons to use those heads? SCJ style would it work?
Does it help because i have that D1AE block??
I forget to but that, but i havent buy those heads yet and those valves are already installed in those heads, but there are other D0VE heads for sale where is also head job done with normal size stainless valves.
So i should buy crank and then i need pistons, i think i could find that crank.
The cylinders have bored .030 for cast pistons, so should i get that .030 forged pistons (so i dont need to bore, just hone for clearances), or just cast or hyper pistons?
thanks for great help and good comments, for my problems?
Last edited by Cyclone70 on March 31st 2010, 11:09 pm; edited 1 time in total
Cyclone70- Posts : 25
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Re: Is this working set?
I dropped a 460 in a 70 Cyclone DOVE heads with 2.25/1.75 valves & flat tops and it weighed 3900 ran strip and street ran 12.05 1/4 won alot of money bracket racing in it, I miss it sometimes[url=
BIGDOG466- Posts : 265
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Hi there I live in the middle of Sweden and I have a set of 8 piston dish 30 over with rods for a 460 with your heads it will give 9.5:1 and more stuff left over performer intake carbs cam springs lifters etc, runs low 13`s ET in a Torino send me a pm and I will help you out
Melvin
Melvin
fordlord- Posts : 24
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Sounds great bigdog.
I may get changed my 429 crank to 460 crank, but not sure until next week.
Then i need a pistons.
I may get changed my 429 crank to 460 crank, but not sure until next week.
Then i need a pistons.
Cyclone70- Posts : 25
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Re: Is this working set?
Just thinking, what about using the old rods, take there 4.3" stroke crank, are there resonable price pistons available for that. Is that even possible to do?
Cyclone70- Posts : 25
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Cyclone70 wrote:Just thinking, what about using the old rods, take there 4.3" stroke crank, are there resonable price pistons available for that. Is that even possible to do?
ford racing has a crank that is a 4.3 that uses stock rods. requires special order pistons though.
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Is TCI Street Fighter 441300 converter good, im not sure if theres too much stall (3000-3500)?
Cyclone70- Posts : 25
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Probably a little loose if its a daily driver and you only have 3.50:1 grears, driving at a criuse the convertor will be building alot of heat. But you could add an additional cooler to it and use it if its something your getting for the right price?
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Re: Is this working set?
I think i get right stall turbine for my application, but not yet.
I was wondering because i ordered those Hooker 1 7/8" headers are those too small for a later stroking?
I trade a part for brand new milodon hv/hp oil pump, just a problem that i want to find there pickup that fits oem front sump oilpan, or do i need to buy new oilpan?
What distributor(or what kind of) would be best for my application?
I was wondering because i ordered those Hooker 1 7/8" headers are those too small for a later stroking?
I trade a part for brand new milodon hv/hp oil pump, just a problem that i want to find there pickup that fits oem front sump oilpan, or do i need to buy new oilpan?
What distributor(or what kind of) would be best for my application?
Cyclone70- Posts : 25
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Re: Is this working set?
Milodon, makes a series of stock type pans and pick-up for those should work. measure you pan depth and look on there website for reference and part numbers.
I like MSD stuff, but the factory Duraspark is a very good system also.
I like MSD stuff, but the factory Duraspark is a very good system also.
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Should it be vac advance or mec?
Cyclone70- Posts : 25
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Re: Is this working set?
I generaly use mechanical advance stuff on most everything, but vacumum can be used on milder performance / fuel economy builds.
The Factory Duraspark, with the vacuum advance removed and the mechanical recurved is a great bang for the money Spent, you can also get connector to allow the use of MSD boxes with them.
The Factory Duraspark, with the vacuum advance removed and the mechanical recurved is a great bang for the money Spent, you can also get connector to allow the use of MSD boxes with them.
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I asked scotty for that duraspark distributor for couple of weeks ago...price seems to be fair.
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