Fox body oil pan?

soupbean December 7th 2011, 2:39 pm

I bought a Canton 15-770 oil pan for my 557 and after beating the crank scraper flat to clear the stud girdle, the Kaase pump hits the front sump. Anybody use the 13-772? Or what pan do you guys suggest?

bruno December 7th 2011, 2:44 pm

call Lem and let him custom build you one ,he puts the oil were it needs it !!!! Very Happy

dfree383 December 7th 2011, 3:32 pm

take the stud girdle and hardware off then try it.

soupbean December 7th 2011, 3:38 pm

Its def the Kaase pump. You can see where it marks the pan when it hits. Its holding it up 1/4".

bbf-falcon December 7th 2011, 3:41 pm

Like Dave said,take off the SG. But on some pans the Kaase pump still hits.On my Moroso pan I had too extend the front sump 1/2" on my Foxbody pan too clear.

c.evans December 7th 2011, 8:40 pm

Guys,

You can GRIND Exclamation

You can grind a little on the oil pump, and you can grind a little on those stud girdles for sure. It's been my experience that the Canton oil pan won't even clear the Canton stud girdle. Mock up and create clearance as necessary.

Charlie

Lem Evans December 7th 2011, 9:01 pm

The Canton bbf pan pump pockets are but 6-1/4"...the Moroso pan's pump pockets are 6-1/2". That's an issue....it aint your fault that the Canton stuff don't work but, you should have ask.
Even at that....a few of the Moroso pans very well may need to be hit with a hammer or file/mill a little off of the end cap with the Kaase oil pump.

patfromjersey December 7th 2011, 9:13 pm

I second Uncle Charlie. I have a Canton deep sump front pan, Melling pump, Canton main support, and Canton windage tray. I had to grind clearance on the main support to clear the pump, and I had to cut down the sides of the windage tray to clear the pan. I thought this was going to be a "matched" setup. Laughing

I also had to remove the crank scraper on the pan. I did this with a dremel tool and a heavy duty cutoff wheel. I carefully cut through the TIG weld, removed the metal, then I grinded down the remaining weld smooth. It looks like it was never there. Cool

cool40 December 7th 2011, 10:12 pm

BFH

soupbean December 7th 2011, 10:17 pm

The Canton 13-772 drag pan has a 6 1/2" front sump. I think I will be ok with that. I'm going to try it unless somebody chimes in not to. It seems to be more open with less bs to get in the way.

soupbean December 7th 2011, 10:19 pm

cool40 wrote:BFH

Hard to get myself to do on new parts Evil or Very Mad

jbozzelle December 7th 2011, 10:29 pm

My Moroso Eliminator pan with built in windage screen just touches my Kaase pump. No big deal. If it fits like a glove that usually means something's wrong.

patfromjersey December 7th 2011, 10:37 pm

soupbean wrote:
cool40 wrote:BFH

Hard to get myself to do on new parts

I broke out the sawzall, dremel, and BFH (rubber mallet) on my new parts. Laughing

Race Ready Fabrications December 8th 2011, 8:26 am

soupbean wrote:The Canton 13-772 drag pan has a 6 1/2" front sump. I think I will be ok with that. I'm going to try it unless somebody chimes in not to. It seems to be more open with less bs to get in the way.

I'd be interested into knowing if this setup works. Same pump and pan I plan on using on my new build.

dfree383 December 8th 2011, 9:30 am

My canton pan worked fine with a Kaase pump, can't remember the part number.

soupbean December 8th 2011, 7:52 pm

Race Ready Fabrications wrote:
soupbean wrote:The Canton 13-772 drag pan has a 6 1/2" front sump. I think I will be ok with that. I'm going to try it unless somebody chimes in not to. It seems to be more open with less bs to get in the way.

I'd be interested into knowing if this setup works. Same pump and pan I plan on using on my new build.

I'll let you know next week bounce

soupbean December 14th 2011, 11:29 am

soupbean wrote:
Race Ready Fabrications wrote:
soupbean wrote:The Canton 13-772 drag pan has a 6 1/2" front sump. I think I will be ok with that. I'm going to try it unless somebody chimes in not to. It seems to be more open with less bs to get in the way.

I'd be interested into knowing if this setup works. Same pump and pan I plan on using on my new build.

I'll let you know next week

FYI - The Canton 13-772 has a supposed 6 1/2" sump but that is a taper from 6 1/4" at the rear to 6 1/2" in the front. Still hits just as much as the street/strip pan. BFH on new parts and some grinding on the pump it is! Mad

Race Ready Fabrications December 14th 2011, 1:05 pm

soupbean wrote:
soupbean wrote:
Race Ready Fabrications wrote:
soupbean wrote:The Canton 13-772 drag pan has a 6 1/2" front sump. I think I will be ok with that. I'm going to try it unless somebody chimes in not to. It seems to be more open with less bs to get in the way.

I'd be interested into knowing if this setup works. Same pump and pan I plan on using on my new build.

I'll let you know next week

FYI - The Canton 13-772 has a supposed 6 1/2" sump but that is a taper from 6 1/4" at the rear to 6 1/2" in the front. Still hits just as much as the street/strip pan. BFH on new parts and some grinding on the pump it is!

Well that sucks.....thanks for the info tho. I wonder which pan I should buy now, or if any of the off the shelf pans are going to fit?

Lem Evans December 14th 2011, 2:56 pm

Lem Evans wrote:The Canton bbf pan pump pockets are but 6-1/4"...the Moroso pan's pump pockets are 6-1/2". That's an issue....it aint your fault that the Canton stuff don't work but, you should have ask.
Even at that....a few of the Moroso pans very well may need to be hit with a hammer or file/mill a little off of the end cap with the Kaase oil pump.

John Myrick December 14th 2011, 5:16 pm

Has the moroso pan and Kaase pump. I didn't do the assembly but when I looked at the pan I didn't notice any hammer (peen ) marks where the pump is.

Lem Evans December 14th 2011, 5:57 pm

John Myrick wrote:Has the moroso pan and Kaase pump. I didn't do the assembly but when I looked at the pan I didn't notice any hammer (peen ) marks where the pump is.

Like I said...."a few"

soupbean December 14th 2011, 6:07 pm

Lem Evans wrote:
Lem Evans wrote:The Canton bbf pan pump pockets are but 6-1/4"...the Moroso pan's pump pockets are 6-1/2". That's an issue....it aint your fault that the Canton stuff don't work but, you should have ask.
Even at that....a few of the Moroso pans very well may need to be hit with a hammer or file/mill a little off of the end cap with the Kaase oil pump.

Lem I looked into the Moroso pan but it has the built in windage tray and this motor already has the main girdle and windage tray. The Canton drag pan showed a drawing claiming it had a 6 1/2" front sump. Drawing was wrong! I even called Canton and talked to them about what I was doing and in regards to the Ford girdle/windage tray and got "thats what they made for, big, to clear everything". Well, didn't clear the girdle either but oh well. Couple of hours of massaging it fits, just looks a little lumpy like my head.

John Myrick December 14th 2011, 6:32 pm

Soup, why do you have a girdle on it ?

pro64 December 14th 2011, 6:49 pm

my canton pan worked fine with my kaase pump. my pump did make contact with crankshaft though..

Lem Evans December 14th 2011, 9:18 pm

Moroso makes a pan w/o the screen etc.......looks the same from the outside.

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