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Post  robbie mav grabber March 25th 2013, 11:43 am

Which heads for street have a victor4150 intake custom grind comp cam 685 lift Hyd 850 do stroked to 532

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Post  dfree383 March 25th 2013, 12:04 pm

Do you have pistons?
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Post  robbie mav grabber March 25th 2013, 8:11 pm

No not yet Adney Brown is going to do the rottating assembly just trying to get some information and parts together talked with Blake Cartwright about a special grind Hyd roller cam all help is greatly appreciated

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Post  dfree383 March 25th 2013, 10:52 pm

I'd use the SCJs if you don't have pistons.
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Post  MauriSSio March 27th 2013, 2:49 pm

what do you guys think the power difference would be between those two heads (untouched) on his 532

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Post  robbie mav grabber March 27th 2013, 9:03 pm

Thanks I'd like to know what y'all think also before I buy them

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Post  10SHOTS March 28th 2013, 9:21 am

i like the tfs if both are right out of the box , had them both on a 521 ,
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Post  MauriSSio March 28th 2013, 1:44 pm

i have otb tfs streets on my 533 with only port matched to 4500 victor intake and 1150 carb. i love the setup, but lots of people seem to choose the scj heads over the tfs streets, though i'm not sure i've ever seen a direct head to head comparison.

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Post  dfree383 March 28th 2013, 2:02 pm

Id be willing to bet the SCJ head will make a little more power than the TFS out of the box. The TFS having a slightly small port may make a little more torque.
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Post  robbie mav grabber March 28th 2013, 6:30 pm

Thanks for the help it seems to be close between the two ill probly go with the super cobra jets

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Post  Mike R March 28th 2013, 6:57 pm

Best bang for your buck would be the SCJ's since you don't have pistons yet

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Post  MauriSSio March 29th 2013, 3:04 pm

i thought they were both 290cc Ports?

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Post  MauriSSio March 29th 2013, 3:29 pm

Flow numbers (courtesy of charlie evans and scottyj)

TFS Street------------SCJ Heads
.100---67/51---------73/60
.200---144/100------155/106
.300---211/138------222/141
.400---275/169------275/177
.500---325/194------314/191
.600---351/211------317/203
.700---351/223------321/217

obviously flow numbers arent everything, the tfs vs scj topic has always interested me. Wouldnt smaller ports that flowed the same or more usually be the best choice?

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Post  c.evans March 29th 2013, 4:48 pm

The problem with those flow numbers which are quoted above,,,,,is that the SCJ heads come with a 2.200" intake valve that is not backcut. That's what is represented there as "Out Of The Box". However, with a simple $32-$35 backcut on the intake valves, the SCJ's flow changes dramatically and improves quite a bit. After backcutting the intake valves, the SCJ heads will outflow the TFS Street heads.

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Post  MauriSSio March 29th 2013, 6:24 pm

so back cutting the valves will increase flow by 30cfm?

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Post  MauriSSio March 29th 2013, 6:30 pm

and does back cutting the valves cost $35 for 8 of them. (about 4 dollars a valve?). i don't know how much that service generally goes for.

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Post  Lem Evans March 29th 2013, 6:36 pm

The $32-$35 Charlie mentioned is for all 8 intake valves.

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Post  bigblockfox468 March 29th 2013, 6:48 pm

MauriSSio wrote:so back cutting the valves will increase flow by 30cfm?

My SCJ #'s a couple years back when Blake did them


2.200 w30* back cut
Intake

After
.100 84
.200 107.4
.300 254
.400 356
.500 358
.550 366
.600 367.4
.700 358
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Post  MauriSSio March 29th 2013, 11:36 pm

so back cutting the valves and nothing else is worth roughly 45cfm on the scj wow

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Post  c.evans March 29th 2013, 11:38 pm

MauriSSio wrote:so back cutting the valves and nothing else is worth roughly 45cfm on the scj wow

Yes, it's a big improvement, especially at the mid-lift flow numbers, and that's where you need to be focusing on.

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Post  MauriSSio March 30th 2013, 1:04 am

kinda shows the importance of details huh!

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Post  dfree383 March 30th 2013, 1:50 am

MauriSSio wrote:kinda shows the importance of details huh!



Never ever think all performance valves jobs are equal...... Thats why "you get what you pay for" from people that are in the know.
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Post  MauriSSio March 30th 2013, 2:58 am

well if its only $35 i don't see why anybody would go to anybody else than charlie Evans!

i'm not planning on changing heads anytime soon, maybe even ever but if i knew you can get those kinds of gains with the scj heads for so little money invested i definitely would have gone the scj route. i still wonder how much power that translates to in a direct comparison!


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Post  rmcomprandy March 30th 2013, 9:51 am

MauriSSio wrote:i have otb tfs streets on my 533 with only port matched to 4500 victor intake and 1150 carb. i love the setup, but lots of people seem to choose the scj heads over the tfs streets, though i'm not sure i've ever seen a direct head to head comparison.

I made a 2,500 RPM to 6,500 RPM direct PORTED head to head to head comparison on Mile's dyno with my 434 Engine Masters engine; TFS, SCJ and P-51's
You should do a test with "out of the box" heads and tell us all about it.

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Post  MauriSSio March 30th 2013, 11:40 am

i certainly know why i would rather do business with Charlie Evans than Randy that's for damned sure lol!! he's a man of the people and conducts himself professionally!

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