Is Header coating worth the expense
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Is Header coating worth the expense
Looking at having a set of headers made and was debating about spending another $300-$350 to get a coating like Jet coating or Nitroplate. Any opinions?
Re: Is Header coating worth the expense
VHT high temp paint would be cheap protection in my book LoL. Go stainless and be done with it, would be the best solutition. The inside of the pipes take a beating more than the outside, does the coatings do anything there? The coatings look good on show cars and for that I could see the extra money.
supervel45- Posts : 4499
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Re: Is Header coating worth the expense
From what I've seen on the websites, Jet and Nitroplate coat both the inside and outside. And yes, my opinion for exterior protection is VHT is cheap protection especially when I can get employee discount at the parts store I work part time at....
Re: Is Header coating worth the expense
That really depends upon the specific coating .. all coatings are NOT equal; Anti rust coatings, anti heat coatings,, etc.
SWAIN TECH has the best Anti Heat coating anywhere - called "White Lightening". (It is NOT cheap).
SWAIN TECH has the best Anti Heat coating anywhere - called "White Lightening". (It is NOT cheap).
Re: Is Header coating worth the expense
rmcomprandy wrote:That really depends upon the specific coating .. all coatings are NOT equal; Anti rust coatings, anti heat coatings,, etc.
SWAIN TECH has the best Anti Heat coating anywhere - called "White Lightening". (It is NOT cheap).
Looks like they are about the same price as Nitroplate which is who Fab Shop is using.
Re: Is Header coating worth the expense
just spend the extra and make them out of stainless and dont worry about it.
whatbumper- Posts : 3024
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Re: Is Header coating worth the expense
The guy I use for ceramic header coatings coats them inside and out, provided they're nice and clean inside (he doesn't wanna do the inside if they've been run.). They're gorgeous and they last a long time that way.
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Re: Is Header coating worth the expense
This came up at a tech seminar a couple of years ago. It really is best to have them coated. Kasse was talking about un coated headers and the engine actually sucking in rust from the inside of the tubes upon startup. We've always coated ours and while it's not mandatory or cheap, seems worth it if there are any protective benefits and they do look good for a long time.
Boo Boo
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Re: Is Header coating worth the expense
Nitroplate did a very nice job on mine. I put stainless collectors on to try and had an intake gasket leak causing it to lean out.the collector turned blue but the header didn't.
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Re: Is Header coating worth the expense
For what headers cost, having them plated is a no brainer in my book
Mike R- Posts : 1381
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Re: Is Header coating worth the expense
HorsinAround wrote:Looking at having a set of headers made and was debating about spending another $300-$350 to get a coating like Jet coating or Nitroplate. Any opinions?
Opinions! Hell you know we got opinions. Horsie we've had two sets plated at NitroPlate and not only have they gave good service they look great! Yes is my answer, it adds to the header's life.
Dave.
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Re: Is Header coating worth the expense
whatbumper wrote:just spend the extra and make them out of stainless and dont worry about it.
Stainless tubes will still radiate a bunch of heat in the engine compartment but, they will look nice, LOL.
Re: Is Header coating worth the expense
stangr8cr wrote:This came up at a tech seminar a couple of years ago. It really is best to have them coated. Kasse was talking about un coated headers and the engine actually sucking in rust from the inside of the tubes upon startup. We've always coated ours and while it's not mandatory or cheap, seems worth it if there are any protective benefits and they do look good for a long time.
X2.I was @ that seminar and heard the story. I also did a engine for a customer a while back that had headers that were uncoated,the ring lands were caked with rust ftom inside the header. My answer is also yes.Although,it wouldnt happen on a streetcammed engine,because it wouldnt have the revirsion effect.
Boo Boo
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Re: Is Header coating worth the expense
Coating the inside and outside of the headers increases the lifespan of the tubes for sure.
I remember starting my car with uncoated headers after sitting for 2 months in the winter and having lots of rusty crap all over the floor that came out of the headers. With coated ones...that doesn't happen any more.
There are lots of good coating vendors. Mine were done at Performance Coatings in Jonesboro, GA.
Keith
I remember starting my car with uncoated headers after sitting for 2 months in the winter and having lots of rusty crap all over the floor that came out of the headers. With coated ones...that doesn't happen any more.
There are lots of good coating vendors. Mine were done at Performance Coatings in Jonesboro, GA.
Keith
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Ok, I'm convinced.. I talked to ProkoteIndy and will probably go there because they are close.
Re: Is Header coating worth the expense
Recently I was reading an article and there was considerably less heat radiated from the coated headers. I have coated headers on my bucket and my cobra and kind of consider it standard issue now. I wouldn't run a set without it.
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Ceramic coated headers and NOS?
I really liked the looks of my old Kook's headers with the polished silver finish. I talked to Jet Hot today about having my new headers coated with their Jet Hot Extreme 1300 polished silver finish and they say they wouldn't recommend coating them with the polished silver finish. They recommended their Jet Hot Extreme 1300 "Colors" or since I occasionally use nitrous, the Jet Hot Extreme 2000 colors would be a better choice! They quoted $630 for the Extreme 2000, Ouch! I really don't want to pay that much for a set of Black coated headers!
Any recommendations from personal experience with header coatings?
Gary
Any recommendations from personal experience with header coatings?
Gary
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Re: Is Header coating worth the expense
GTmustang wrote:I really liked the looks of my old Kook's headers with the polished silver finish. I talked to Jet Hot today about having my new headers coated with their Jet Hot Extreme 1300 polished silver finish and they say they wouldn't recommend coating them with the polished silver finish. They recommended their Jet Hot Extreme 1300 "Colors" or since I occasionally use nitrous, the Jet Hot Extreme 2000 colors would be a better choice! They quoted $630 for the Extreme 2000, Ouch! I really don't want to pay that much for a set of Black coated headers!
Any recommendations from personal experience with header coatings?
Gary
When getting headers covered with the "White Lightning" from SWAIN TECH they are white and not smooth because that coating is a solid material added to the surface of the header, applied molten, not just baked to its rather rough finish; (sorta like a dull flexible porcelain).
I was told about this company from a bunch of turbo guys over ten tears ago because I was looking specifically for HEAT control in the engine compartment of a road race car. You can't grab on to them but, touching them while running won't cause a burn and engine compartment temps while running with the hood on were 70% cooler; YES, 70%.
The original usage for the "White Lightning" was for NASA to coat the re-intry heat shield for returning spacecraft.
If keeping the heat INSIDE the pipe and "pretty" is not your goal, this coating is without equal, as far as I know.
Re: Is Header coating worth the expense
I use QC Coatings in Michigan. They are a small shop and do some really nice stuff for a little less money than others. When you call them they don't have a secretary, you may get the answering machine but Bill will call you back before the end of the day. I recently had 2 sets done. Both sets I built, and they were individual tubes with slip on collectors. One set was 2" Pontiac, and the other was a C-460 Ford in a stock suspension car. He quoted me $275 for the first set, and when he found out I was doing 2 sets quoted them at $250 ea. + shipping. If you give him a call feel free to use my name as a referral.
Travis
http://www.qccoatings.com/cc.php
Travis
http://www.qccoatings.com/cc.php
TravisRice- BBF CONTRIBUTOR
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Re: Is Header coating worth the expense
TravisRice wrote:I use QC Coatings in Michigan. They are a small shop and do some really nice stuff for a little less money than others. When you call them they don't have a secretary, you may get the answering machine but Bill will call you back before the end of the day. I recently had 2 sets done. Both sets I built, and they were individual tubes with slip on collectors. One set was 2" Pontiac, and the other was a C-460 Ford in a stock suspension car. He quoted me $275 for the first set, and when he found out I was doing 2 sets quoted them at $250 ea. + shipping. If you give him a call feel free to use my name as a referral.
Travis
http://www.qccoatings.com/cc.php
YES ... QC does good work; I can vouch for that. I use them when I need good looking stuff ... and there is no shipping because I can drive over, LOL.
Coatings
I've been running Sanderson headers with the Jet Hot silver coating for 9 years now on a blown BBF and they still look great, coating has held up well, even on the inside, I got to check that when I swapped in my 521 a few months ago. Was worth the extra $$$
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Re: Is Header coating worth the expense
This is what Jet Hot told me:blown473 wrote:I've been running Sanderson headers with the Jet Hot silver coating for 9 years now on a blown BBF and they still look great, coating has held up well, even on the inside, I got to check that when I swapped in my 521 a few months ago. Was worth the extra $$$
"Thank you for your interest in Jet-Hot High Performance Coatings. The cost to coat your headers and collectors in Extreme COLORS $530.00 plus the cost of return shipping. Given the horse power I do not recommend the Polished finish. Also since you spray Nitrous now and again the Extreme 2000 will be a much better fit. The cost will be $630.00 plus the cost of return shipping."
Apparently they don't think their polished silver coating will hold up! It doesn't seem right that it wouldn't hold up on my mild street motor, even if I hit it with a small shot every once in a while! I guess the weak point in the coating is the aluminum powder used in it, when you get near 1300 the aluminum starts to melt. I've already spent a bunch of money to have headers fabricated and I want to have
them coated so they last a long time. Heat reduction in my tight engine compartment is also a factor in my decision. I'm still waiting to hear from Nitroplate and I will call QC Coatings also to see what they can do for me.
Gary
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Re: Is Header coating worth the expense
GTmustang wrote:This is what Jet Hot told me:blown473 wrote:I've been running Sanderson headers with the Jet Hot silver coating for 9 years now on a blown BBF and they still look great, coating has held up well, even on the inside, I got to check that when I swapped in my 521 a few months ago. Was worth the extra $$$
"Thank you for your interest in Jet-Hot High Performance Coatings. The cost to coat your headers and collectors in Extreme COLORS $530.00 plus the cost of return shipping. Given the horse power I do not recommend the Polished finish. Also since you spray Nitrous now and again the Extreme 2000 will be a much better fit. The cost will be $630.00 plus the cost of return shipping."
Apparently they don't think their polished silver coating will hold up! It doesn't seem right that it wouldn't hold up on my mild street motor, even if I hit it with a small shot every once in a while! I guess the weak point in the coating is the aluminum powder used in it, when you get near 1300 the aluminum starts to melt. I've already spent a bunch of money to have headers fabricated and I want to have
them coated so they last a long time. Heat reduction in my tight engine compartment is also a factor in my decision. I'm still waiting to hear from Nitroplate and I will call QC Coatings also to see what they can do for me.
Gary
The polished finish headers I have seen from them and other places will hold-up however, the coating may become dull looking and not "shiny" anymore because of the extra heat.
Another thing about the Swain Tech "White Lightning" is that the surface finish will also hold high heat painted finishes.
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