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Post  Outlaw5.0 January 17th 2010, 1:55 pm

Here are my E-460 heads during machining. Still work to do, but its a start.

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Post  bruno January 17th 2010, 4:04 pm

looks great man Cool

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Post  drummond race cars January 17th 2010, 11:34 pm

what are the differences between these and c460 heads, air flow, combustion chamber size and port volumes and availability.
The pictures look good ,they look similar to a c460.

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Post  Outlaw5.0 January 17th 2010, 11:51 pm

The E-460 is the previous NHRA prostock head, they can flow in the 580 cfm range. They look nothing like the C-460.

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Post  jones January 19th 2010, 1:39 pm

(What block are you using?) Don't you have to also drill the bolt pattern for the block you want to use? I want to say I have heard of some truck pullers re-drilling E460s to fit on tall deck blocks.

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Post  Outlaw5.0 January 19th 2010, 4:25 pm

jones wrote:(What block are you using?) Don't you have to also drill the bolt pattern for the block you want to use? I want to say I have heard of some truck pullers re-drilling E460s to fit on tall deck blocks.
GM DRCE 2. I had LSM machine the block for the E-460 head bolt pattern, plus the correct lifter locations.

Bore - 4.600
Stroke - 3.750
deck height - 9.400
cam- 60mm core journal bearing
Valve size - 2.400/2.420, 1.820-1.840.

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Post  jones January 19th 2010, 5:00 pm

Sounds different!!

How different are the the camshafts between the DRCE II and Ford as far a lobe placement and cam journals? I would assume you are going to have LSM grind you a custom billet camshaft.

PS. Since you a going with a short stroke crankshaft did you move the camshaft centerline around any? For a better ( or check) valvetrain angle?

Talk about being over square! LOL F1 engine!


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Post  Outlaw5.0 January 19th 2010, 5:14 pm

jones wrote:Sounds different!!

How different are the the camshafts between the DRCE II and Ford as far a lobe placement and cam journals? I would assume you are going to have LSM grind you a custom billet camshaft.

PS. Since you a going with a short stroke crankshaft did you move the camshaft centerline around any? For a better ( or check) valvetrain angle?
The core will come from LSM, custom specs by us, LSM may grind it also. The camshaft is already raised in the block, no reason to move it. The NHRA prostock guys ran 3.560-3.580 stroke cranks in this block, so actually I'm running a long stroke crank.

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Post  jones January 19th 2010, 5:19 pm

Cool, thanks for sharing with us and keep us updated.

I had always thought a 4.700 bore and a 3.85 stroke engine would be an awsome combo for a turbocharged application. Never had the money to try!

PS. Do you mind telling what length rod you are going to use? 6.0-6.2ish

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Post  Outlaw5.0 January 19th 2010, 7:17 pm

jones wrote:Cool, thanks for sharing with us and keep us updated.

I had always thought a 4.700 bore and a 3.85 stroke engine would be an awsome combo for a turbocharged application. Never had the money to try!

PS. Do you mind telling what length rod you are going to use? 6.0-6.2ish
In the 6.200 range. Considering the big F3R-139, the compression height on the piston will be between 1.200-1.300 in order to get a 8.5:1-9.0:1 compression ratio.

The stroke was originally going to be 3.850, but some signals got crossed and I ended up with 3.750, not the end of the world.

Marcella Manifolds is modifing the Blue Thunder Thor single 4 barrel manifold to fit the head/block combo.

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Post  Nevs January 19th 2010, 8:56 pm

Very interesting build. Keep us posted on the outcome. Who is doing the heads?
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Post  Outlaw5.0 January 19th 2010, 9:58 pm

Nevs wrote:Very interesting build. Keep us posted on the outcome. Who is doing the heads?
Cary Chouinard of Performance Induction Specialties.

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Post  Nevs January 19th 2010, 10:16 pm

Outlaw5.0 wrote:
Nevs wrote:Very interesting build. Keep us posted on the outcome. Who is doing the heads?
Cary Chouinard of Performance Induction Specialties.

Looks like it's not his first rodeo...

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Post  Outlaw5.0 May 30th 2010, 9:00 pm

Finished intake and exhaust ports.

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Post  Nevs May 30th 2010, 9:09 pm

Outlaw5.0 wrote:Finished intake and exhaust ports.

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Look nice, have you flowed them yet?
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Post  dfree383 May 30th 2010, 9:16 pm

Nice stuff, did you port them yourself?
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Post  Nevs May 30th 2010, 9:23 pm

Dave, here's who ported them:
Cary Chouinard of Performance Induction Specialties.
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Post  Outlaw5.0 May 30th 2010, 9:28 pm

Intake should flow near 530cfm, exhaust near 400 cfm.

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Post  Nevs May 30th 2010, 10:09 pm

Outlaw5.0 wrote:Intake should flow near 530cfm, exhaust near 400 cfm.

That kind of surprises me, I thought the intakes would do better than that, exhaust is rockin' though.... Cool
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Post  Outlaw5.0 May 30th 2010, 10:20 pm

These are going on a supercharged engine, so the intake valve will be 2.450-2.470/exhaust 1.840-1.880. The ports are from the Blue Thunder Thor programs that Performance Inductions has. The programs were modified to fit the E-460 heads. If this were for N/A, the intake port would be larger, plus the valves would be 2.520-2.560/1.820.

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Post  Nevs May 30th 2010, 10:29 pm

Outlaw5.0 wrote:These are going on a supercharged engine, so the intake valve will be 2.450-2.470/exhaust 1.840-1.880. The ports are from the Blue Thunder Thor programs that Performance Inductions has. The programs were modified to fit the E-460 heads. If this were for N/A, the intake port would be larger, plus the valves would be 2.520-2.560/1.820.

Gotch, that makes sense. I appreciate the insight.
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Post  dfree383 May 31st 2010, 7:10 am

Probably already posted but what valve job and who's valves????
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Post  Outlaw5.0 May 31st 2010, 11:08 am

dfree383 wrote:Probably already posted but what valve job and who's valves????
Titanium valves.

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Post  dfree383 May 31st 2010, 2:40 pm

Outlaw5.0 wrote:
dfree383 wrote:Probably already posted but what valve job and who's valves????
Titanium valves.
what brand and shapes? 55 degree valve job?
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Post  Outlaw5.0 May 31st 2010, 6:41 pm

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dfree383 wrote:Probably already posted but what valve job and who's valves????
Titanium valves.
what brand and shapes? 55 degree valve job?
Don't know, either 50 or 55 deg seat. I have never worked on these style heads, I don't know what they like. It is up to my buddy.

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