Dove's FE Claims

bbf-falcon wrote:This car has a 512" FE. It was built by Kuntz&Co. It dyno'ed (I think around 840 on a single 4).He was w/us at Norwalk last month and run a 9.04 off foot brake.

over 800 hp, wow. what kind of heads was he using. i know a guy around here has a max effort eldelbrocks and all he is getting is 650

dfree383 wrote:Barry,

What kind of numbers where the gt40 and NASCAR 427 motors laying down back in the day? Real stuff not the bs ratings ford gave them.

The 1966 Le Mans GT40 Program built about 10 engines for the 66 Le Mans effort. The 10 engines ranged from 480 HP to 520 HP and crated up with no indication or markings of which engine made what HP. This was done to prevent the drivers laying claim to the most powerful engine and start inter-team bickering. As it turned out the engine that made the least HP [480] was the engine that won that year, the engine that made the 520 HP never got uncrated. After the 24 hr race the winning engine was dynoed and it made almost 500 HP, picked up almost 20 more HP than when fresh. Need to note here too, the engines were built with a very conservative compression ratio as they had to, by rule, run on French gasoline which was low quality and low octane. When Ford started the 427 Le Mans program they developed a computer program to run on the dyno a complete "Le Mans track circuit" to test the engine. The dyno program loaded the engine to simulate the race track conditions from upshifting, downshifting, straights and turns based on the winning time the Ferrari's did the previous year. The Ford engineeers ran these engines on the dyno track simulator for 48 hours straight. Gives a new meaning to the phrase "Built Ford Tough"

jm wrote:

bbf-falcon wrote:This car has a 512" FE. It was built by Kuntz&Co. It dyno'ed (I think around 840 on a single 4).He was w/us at Norwalk last month and run a 9.04 off foot brake.

over 800 hp, wow. what kind of heads was he using. i know a guy around here has a max effort eldelbrocks and all he is getting is 650

A special set of EDDY'S w/titanium valves and T%D rockers. ported by Kuntz

Around 1978 I bought a 69 Mach 1,it had a 351w,4 spd,but came with 3 FE's,all in peices.But it was enuogh peices to build 1 complete 428 scj.I put it together in my dads shop and sold it to get the money together to get on the road,you know Ins. reg, and general sorting out of my first road worthy hot rod.Well that motor,or should I say beast has been in no less than 6 cars/trucks,beaten unmercilessly by all who had it.That old torque monster would either break the vehicle it was in or cause the driver to break when it got out of control.But it is still running strong today.Last I heard its going in another Mustang,good luck to that guy.Anyway,yes they are a strong and very durable motor,it seems that they are more popular now than back in the day,at least there are way more after market parts available.Way back when,Jack Rousch seemed to be THE man if you wanted real cool stuff,but the prices kept all but the super serious from gettin em.Oh,and I agree about the mopar block comparison,that design is what makes them so durable,throw in some cross bolts,indestructable!!!

rmcomprandy wrote:I think whoever designed the FE block and whoever designed the Chrysler B block must have had lunch together back in their day...

Yeah, there are a few striking similarities aren't there...? I've never done much myself with the FE, but from listening to my Grandpa speak of his old Galaxies with the 406 tri-power and the 427, and of course seeing Barry's continued successes at the EMC, there's no doubt it's a fine engine... And yes, not cheap to build... I would venture to guess the FE and Chrysler BB's are very similar in this area too...







Doug...

JM,
There is a guy in Edmonton, AB that goes by the name Johnny Rocket (Fe head porter can't remember his last name) who built a 472 FE for a guy that hit 710-720hp ish with only 11-1 or so with his max ported Edelbrocks. It was Dyno'd at Pierre Guyon's at DynoPlus in Okotoks.

Guys also on a side note, the Kuntz and Co. guys over on the FE forum are claiming 1012 hp from a 505" FE with some PRO-PORT raw or semi machined heads from Edelbrock, they have to be totally mached to your specs by a competent shop. If you go to the FE forum you will have to scroll back about 4 months or so. Damon did you read that post over too ?

FWIW Mark
Check this link out and decide for yourself.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/74182/message/1242955721/Re-+I+believe+Paul+Adams+422+CI+Edelbrock+head+motor+makes+roughly+944+HP.

Mark Laczo wrote:JM,
There is a guy in Edmonton, AB that goes by the name Johnny Rocket (Fe head porter can't remember his last name) who built a 472 FE for a guy that hit 710-720hp ish with only 11-1 or so with his max ported Edelbrocks. It was Dyno'd at Pierre Guyon's at DynoPlus in Okotoks.

Guys also on a side note, the Kuntz and Co. guys over on the FE forum are claiming 1012 hp from a 505" FE with some PRO-PORT raw or semi machined heads from Edelbrock, they have to be totally mached to your specs by a competent shop. If you go to the FE forum you will have to scroll back about 4 months or so. Damon did you read that post over too ?

FWIW Mark
Check this link out and decide for yourself.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/74182/message/1242955721/Re-+I+believe+Paul+Adams+422+CI+Edelbrock+head+motor+makes+roughly+944+HP.

Kuntz is def. getting some power from the Fe's and the Edelbrocks

I've had a couple street usable - but marginal -high riser headed 12.5:1 520 inch FEs go 767 and 771 horsepower. Both had good heads and dual fours on a port matched cast intake.

Mark Laczo wrote:JM,
There is a guy in Edmonton, AB that goes by the name Johnny Rocket (Fe head porter can't remember his last name) who built a 472 FE for a guy that hit 710-720hp ish with only 11-1 or so with his max ported Edelbrocks. It was Dyno'd at Pierre Guyon's at DynoPlus in Okotoks.

Guys also on a side note, the Kuntz and Co. guys over on the FE forum are claiming 1012 hp from a 505" FE with some PRO-PORT raw or semi machined heads from Edelbrock, they have to be totally mached to your specs by a competent shop. If you go to the FE forum you will have to scroll back about 4 months or so. Damon did you read that post over too ?

FWIW Mark
Check this link out and decide for yourself.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/74182/message/1242955721/Re-+I+believe+Paul+Adams+422+CI+Edelbrock+head+motor+makes+roughly+944+HP.

Mark,

I haven't read the thread you mention but did read through the cammer build by Jay.

Thanks

1bad521 wrote:

rmcomprandy wrote:I think whoever designed the FE block and whoever designed the Chrysler B block must have had lunch together back in their day...

Yeah, there are a few striking similarities aren't there...? I've never done much myself with the FE, but from listening to my Grandpa speak of his old Galaxies with the 406 tri-power and the 427, and of course seeing Barry's continued successes at the EMC, there's no doubt it's a fine engine... And yes, not cheap to build... I would venture to guess the FE and Chrysler BB's are very similar in this area too...







Doug...

Actually the big mopars aren't that horribly priced anymore. Good cylinder heads are still pricey but the Victors are helping in that area. As for the FE's being the best engine to come out of detroit, well, everyone's entitled to their opinion.