Ever wonder why this isn't all over the news ????

http://www.alaskastar.com/stories/042010/New_ajq.shtml

My understanding is the about 30?? states have joind this??? They are trying to overturn Obamas Health Care Circus that on its way to you and me........

Speaking from experience (socialized medicine), you ain't gonna like it!!

Bill

and Hopefully we here get this crap overturned !!!

Here they are finding our they can't keep funding it and they are talking about cutting alot more than they already have. People are lining up in the emergency rooms for common colds 'cause there aren't enough doctors.

I know of several folks who have went to the Emergency Room (which would imply some sense of urgency, no?) and waited for 9-11 hours to get treated. One lady just had a bladder infection. The doc checked her out and wrote a 'script and she was out of the ER room in 3-4 minutes, she waited in the waiting room for 9 hours.

Nice.

Bill

Problem their is people dont see or realize what it costs, they use emergency room because its "free" and faster than getting an apointment.........

Yeah, Obama also wants to get rid of summer break. NO! kids need that or their grade will drop from being overworked. What will happen to summer school? I don't mean to get political. But I don't want this "health care" crap.

who has the answer? health insurance is so f#$%$^& high the common self employed man cant stand to have it and if he goes to the er he's gona get a in the ass when the bill comes in.the problem is, IMO,all of it's too dam high! the insurance,er/doctor,and for sure anything the gov is involved with.the ony one's who have it made are illegal's and the "public assistance"groups.

I'd agree some reform is need or even some light regulation, but this bill has no clear plan, no way to be funded and is being dumped on alot of states that can't affort it either. Its got expensive failure writen all over it...... You want poeple who can't run social security, HUD ,fanny Mae etc. Running your health care too?!?!?!?

I will say this, we have all gotten so spoiled believing health insurance is a right, its not, it's a privilage for those who can afford it and it's not free, even if the goverment provides it, your still going to pay it just no nobody has a choice........

dfree383 wrote:Problem their is people dont see or realize what it costs, they use emergency room because its "free" and faster than getting an apointment.........

i come from the land of the socialized medicine. Where i grew up there was NO problems whatsoever. the longest I ever waited was ~1hr, and could always get an appt. within a day or 2 to see the doc.

Now where i live its awful.
The emergency room is crowded but its not for the reasons of speed and ease, but in my case we (myself and my wife) and thousands of others can not get a family doctor. THis I think is the bigger problem as without a family doc you are stuck to the Emergency room or the so called "after hours" clinics....2pm to 6pm....

I have mixed feelings about it.
Where/when the hospitals are not underfunded things are good.
Ontario is a bad model in that respect, 90% of the total budget should not be paid to the office staff.

in my local area we've been seeing a few express med typ clinics and they're the shit IMO.i havent seen my family doc in 5yr's and aint missed him a dam bit.at least the clinic's will give you a shot in the ass and send you on,and dont make you wait an hour for it.the doc's all hate them too cuz it pulls folks from them.

I am on disability not because I want to be but because I have to be because otherwise I cant afford the treatments I have had to indure and I will tell yall this if it hadnt been for medicare I would have died and thats all I will say on the subject. Being on medicare was by far the best and worst thing that could have happened to me. I recently went back to work for the first time in 3 yrs. A lot of my friends are surprised at my reaction to govment healthcare reform. Affordable insurance is not the answer. Yes affordable healthcare should be available to everybody not just those that can afford insurance. I dont know the answer but someone needs to come up with a better one real soon or things are gonna get ugly. I havent heard anything on how it works but apparently whats on the table has made a lot of people angry. We just need healthcare thats affordable for everybody how can that be so hard?

It isn't hard, problem is to much greed and want of control, read my siginiture......

But I think alot are missing the point about this post, its not about health care........ Its about State Rights and the Constitution of the United States, this is the kind of stuff that started the Civil war in 1860. From my understanding it takes 38 states to have a constitutional convention and if the stuff floating around if right we are at 30 right now and this could be a defining moment over the next year or to in this countries history.

Well I will say it took me 6 months to see a specialist in Canada and it took me 2 days to see one in Lafayette. It cost me $800 dollars but I save $20k-$30k a year in income tax so it is a sweet deal for me. Even my medical costs for a family of 5 in the US is about $6k a year out of pocket. The math still looks good to me.

the only insurance i could consider was 450$ a month with a 10,000$ deductable.thats a lot like not haven any looks like to me,unless it's real bad then i could'nt pay the 450$ and i'd get dropped anyway.these dam insurance crooks are in business to make money,a lot of money,and the medical folks are worse than that.i take a pill for high blood psi that cost's me 100$a month,last checkup i got ok'd for a 90 day script for them so i went to get it filled,the complete 90 day's which should been 300$,well the funny thing was it's only 150$ when you buy it that way.it was a funny thing,i was happy it was only 150$ but then i got realy pissed cuz i wanted to know why it was a "bulk discount"on this high dollar shit.think of the people that dont have 300$ to buy a 90 day script of this shit/poison so they would know it was 1/2 price that way.the medical end of this b/s is to blame for the high cost of it all BUT if it all got cut by 1/2 overnight the dam greedy ins co wouldnt give no discount.

After talking with a LOT of people, America is truly the "land of the ENTITLED" ... !
I believe that medical things which NEEDS to be done should be somewhat covered however, most of these people want almost EVERYTHING. Cover my doctor's visits, cover most of my prescription costs, etc. and it just makes me sick to my stomach to realize that these people are such leaches.

A lot of people are doing what the politicians are wanting us to do. The media is focusing on a percieved problem and exploiting it. The problem isn't ins. companies or doctors or pharma, it is us. We all wanted health care, but don't want to have to pay for it. Is it my problem that certain people have cancer, heart disease, etc. No it isn't, but I still have to pay for it (health ins.). We already have a type of socialized health care and we can't afford it, why, because the people who are at a greater risk have to have ins. to be able to pay for the treatment, because there is no other way to get it. THis is a cold hard reality and it is a little blunt, but that is how it is. I truly feel sorry for those of us that have major medical problems. My family has had several. If ins. was only for major medical, ie. $50k or more before they paid, it woudl be a lot cheaper. No deductible, you pay the first $50k and they pay the rest. Is this an insurmountable expense, no. We buy $100,000 houses and $25k cars all of the time, and we seem to get them paid off. No health care provider will deny you treatment, and they will structure payments for you. Let's get off our deadbeat, I want this and that, and just pay for health care that we need and the problems will fix themselves. We'd rather just turn it over to an ins. company and let them pay it, and watch the premiums continue to skyrocket to unaffordable though.

http://www.infowars.com/steve-wynn-takes-on-washington/

schmitty wrote:A lot of people are doing what the politicians are wanting us to do. The media is focusing on a percieved problem and exploiting it. The problem isn't ins. companies or doctors or pharma, it is us. We all wanted health care, but don't want to have to pay for it. Is it my problem that certain people have cancer, heart disease, etc. No it isn't, but I still have to pay for it (health ins.). We already have a type of socialized health care and we can't afford it, why, because the people who are at a greater risk have to have ins. to be able to pay for the treatment, because there is no other way to get it. THis is a cold hard reality and it is a little blunt, but that is how it is. I truly feel sorry for those of us that have major medical problems. My family has had several. If ins. was only for major medical, ie. $50k or more before they paid, it woudl be a lot cheaper. No deductible, you pay the first $50k and they pay the rest. Is this an insurmountable expense, no. We buy $100,000 houses and $25k cars all of the time, and we seem to get them paid off. No health care provider will deny you treatment, and they will structure payments for you. Let's get off our deadbeat, I want this and that, and just pay for health care that we need and the problems will fix themselves. We'd rather just turn it over to an ins. company and let them pay it, and watch the premiums continue to skyrocket to unaffordable though.

Very well said Schmitty!

Bill

It is my belief that the 2 party system is a major part of the problem. Getting those two groups to work for the people hasn't happened for a long time.
Complaining is a start, it might help educate some of the uninformed. However some action of some type needs to happen! The easiest way is to vote, and the most important vote is the primary election. Get the imcumants out. Gone. There are small government types out there running. Here in KY we have a great chance with Rand Paul.

Don't worry.............. The majority of the people are already making a difference at the polls. It will get even better come November.

As far as health care. If you had total control over your health care money and you had an ailment. You would think twice about going to the doctor with a runny nose. people abuse the system because they can. The majority of the people here at work , got to the doctor every time they fart.

They never see the money spent. if they had a , were lets say a health savings plan, would they be so quick to go to the doctor? I think not. They would be more worried about not spending that money and saving up more for when they had a serious problem. And then when the did have to use it , they would shop around for the best price. If the doctors new that they had to be competitive the prices would come down.

When I was born it cost $200.00, what the hell has happened, the last time I looked at a woman's privates they still looked like they did when I was 20 years old, they still have babies the same way.

The answer to health care is put it back in the market place............... And get get the third generation welfare people off of welfare and illegals out of the er for free.

I'm not in line with the "Green" party but, I do agree with their political battle cry - "Re-Elect NOBODY".

schmitty wrote:A lot of people are doing what the politicians are wanting us to do. The media is focusing on a percieved problem and exploiting it. The problem isn't ins. companies or doctors or pharma, it is us. We all wanted health care, but don't want to have to pay for it. Is it my problem that certain people have cancer, heart disease, etc. No it isn't, but I still have to pay for it (health ins.). We already have a type of socialized health care and we can't afford it, why, because the people who are at a greater risk have to have ins. to be able to pay for the treatment, because there is no other way to get it. THis is a cold hard reality and it is a little blunt, but that is how it is. I truly feel sorry for those of us that have major medical problems. My family has had several. If ins. was only for major medical, ie. $50k or more before they paid, it woudl be a lot cheaper. No deductible, you pay the first $50k and they pay the rest. Is this an insurmountable expense, no. We buy $100,000 houses and $25k cars all of the time, and we seem to get them paid off. No health care provider will deny you treatment, and they will structure payments for you. Let's get off our deadbeat, I want this and that, and just pay for health care that we need and the problems will fix themselves. We'd rather just turn it over to an ins. company and let them pay it, and watch the premiums continue to skyrocket to unaffordable though.

that is well put but have you priced the ins. you speak of?i have and it's dam sure not cheap to me.yes i could pay it but if i dont need it for a few years i could pay off my house with the money i gave them for nothen. if i were to need it i'd wish i had it would'nt i.

I try to stay off of rants in post but...The problem with health car is many layers. Goverment health care will not work and people get the health care they are used to. I work in healthcare as does my wife.They make the docters out to be the money grubbing bad guy's,which I know there are some of them out there.No one has seemed to mention that we as a whole get the best and brightest people in the general population to be out docters and other health care prof. the spend on a average of 6 to 8 yrs in medical school that is after ther 4 yr BA. Most leave college with huge amt. of debt,that it take yrs to pay off.Ever wounder why you see so may foreighn docters here? This country has the best medical schools in the WORLD ! They don't want to go back to their country.
No one seems to mention that a primary care M.D. has to write a check at the start of the yr for a little over $20000.00 so the can have
ins.That is if you are in a low risk sec. ie never sued I have no figures if you do surgery. Can anyone say trial lawyers.This does not even mention overhead.
The drug companies are given longer patients on drug than than any one can get on any thing else,then the have things such as CR or ER that they add to the drug and get 10 more yr's They need this to recoupe thier cost some drugs have a profit margin of 1000% can anyone say lobbiest! sound familar rember 2 yrs ago when the price of gas would go thru the roof when a tropical storm would come near the gulf? they needed that money to ensure a safe and economical supply of oil. The had record profit while everyone else went in the tank. We can all see how that turned out.If that was true then why can millions of barrels of oil gush out out daily into the gulf and the price of gas dropped?
If you want goverment in total control of your of health care look no futher than Canada.Rember the thing they tried it in Tenn.lasted a yr. I mean no disrespect to our vet's but look into the VA system. not many of you know but I am RN.and have spec in psychiatric field.We now see a lot more soldiers that we used to PTSD and other injurys of both body and mental. We spend more time trying to fix the mess they create and unwind all the RED TAPE they have wrapped the poor person in than treating them.
Yes there is waste in health care. Don't be fooled into thinking there is enough to do what they say.The major part of the waste is not even where the say it is.If this all goes thru you will likely see a true split of have and have not in health care. Hallelujah holy shit where is the tylenol !!!!!!!!

cool40 wrote:

schmitty wrote:A lot of people are doing what the politicians are wanting us to do. The media is focusing on a percieved problem and exploiting it. The problem isn't ins. companies or doctors or pharma, it is us. We all wanted health care, but don't want to have to pay for it. Is it my problem that certain people have cancer, heart disease, etc. No it isn't, but I still have to pay for it (health ins.). We already have a type of socialized health care and we can't afford it, why, because the people who are at a greater risk have to have ins. to be able to pay for the treatment, because there is no other way to get it. THis is a cold hard reality and it is a little blunt, but that is how it is. I truly feel sorry for those of us that have major medical problems. My family has had several. If ins. was only for major medical, ie. $50k or more before they paid, it woudl be a lot cheaper. No deductible, you pay the first $50k and they pay the rest. Is this an insurmountable expense, no. We buy $100,000 houses and $25k cars all of the time, and we seem to get them paid off. No health care provider will deny you treatment, and they will structure payments for you. Let's get off our deadbeat, I want this and that, and just pay for health care that we need and the problems will fix themselves. We'd rather just turn it over to an ins. company and let them pay it, and watch the premiums continue to skyrocket to unaffordable though.

that is well put but have you priced the ins. you speak of?i have and it's dam sure not cheap to me.yes i could pay it but if i dont need it for a few years i could pay off my house with the money i gave them for nothen. if i were to need it i'd wish i had it would'nt i.

Yes I have, my father-in-law, who I work with, has had diabetes for over 30yrs, two major coronaries in the last 10yrs, his dad, who I also work with has a pacemaker, congestive heart failure, and failing kidneys. Luckily we don't have to pay for grandpa out of our pockets, he's 92 and on medicare, but we do have to pay considerable amounts for his prescriptions. At one time we were paying two premiums on my FIL because he was changing companies. Talk about spendy.

Isn't it amazing that it seems like the root of Alot of problems like health care, insurance costs, ect. Seem to be linked to law suites and attorney and most of the politicians making these laws happen to be laywers???? Anybody else see a real conflict of interest and a big problem with that like I do????