572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
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Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
Thats a sweet and clean set-up you got!!
1Bad91- Posts : 267
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Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
Ok, lots to update---one more weekend and I should be able to fire this thing up!
Headers are done, they are a 2 1/4 to a 2 3/8 step to a 4 1/2 collector, complete ABS delete with new brake lines routed, with the proportioning valve for the rear brakes. Motor mounts done, and they are beefy! Final trans mount done, and I had two driveshaft loops put in. The front was obvious, but I had a rear one put in as well---I had a driveshaft let go once on the rear and it took out both mufflers and punched a hole through the tunnel under the rear seat---so better safe then sorry.
Whats left to do (which I will do in a couple weekends)
1) mount and wire in the 7AL3
2) install driveshaft
3) finish fuel system
4) install 16V battery
5) wire in all gauges
6) install new shifter--wire in transbrake
7) install engine diaper
finish throttle cable / accelerator pedal setup / finish up the firewall with sheetmetal to cover the holes where the heater core was.
At some point, add two feet of pipe off of the 4 1/2 inch collectors and put on mufflers---but that is later. It will be ran for a bit with open headers. The neighbors have been informed!
Thats it!!
Here are some pictures:
Headers are done, they are a 2 1/4 to a 2 3/8 step to a 4 1/2 collector, complete ABS delete with new brake lines routed, with the proportioning valve for the rear brakes. Motor mounts done, and they are beefy! Final trans mount done, and I had two driveshaft loops put in. The front was obvious, but I had a rear one put in as well---I had a driveshaft let go once on the rear and it took out both mufflers and punched a hole through the tunnel under the rear seat---so better safe then sorry.
Whats left to do (which I will do in a couple weekends)
1) mount and wire in the 7AL3
2) install driveshaft
3) finish fuel system
4) install 16V battery
5) wire in all gauges
6) install new shifter--wire in transbrake
7) install engine diaper
finish throttle cable / accelerator pedal setup / finish up the firewall with sheetmetal to cover the holes where the heater core was.
At some point, add two feet of pipe off of the 4 1/2 inch collectors and put on mufflers---but that is later. It will be ran for a bit with open headers. The neighbors have been informed!
Thats it!!
Here are some pictures:
Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
That car is bad ass you do nice work keep the pictures coming.
Later Mark.
Later Mark.
Mark Miller- Posts : 1956
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Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
very nice work
'65 T-BOLT- Posts : 1464
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Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
Wow, what a beautiful car. Your attention to detail is great!!
Too bad you have to muffle that beast. It sure sounds pissy!!
Bill
Too bad you have to muffle that beast. It sure sounds pissy!!
Bill
billandlori- Posts : 2081
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Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
Getting closer.......
Fuel system finished, #10 line from the Aeromotive A2000 pump to the regulator, then #8 line to the carb. 20 psi to the regulator, then 7.5 psi to the carb.
Also mounted the sending units for the oil pressure, water temp, and trans temp. Mounted the fuse box to the firewall, and took some scotch brite to the header tubes, came out pretty nice. Mounted the 7AL3 ignition box in the interior, will start all of the wiring next weekend.
Notice the ABS block and all of the brake lines missing? Brake lines / line lock is in the fenderwell, and to get to the other side the passenger front brake line was routed along the K-member.
Fuel system finished, #10 line from the Aeromotive A2000 pump to the regulator, then #8 line to the carb. 20 psi to the regulator, then 7.5 psi to the carb.
Also mounted the sending units for the oil pressure, water temp, and trans temp. Mounted the fuse box to the firewall, and took some scotch brite to the header tubes, came out pretty nice. Mounted the 7AL3 ignition box in the interior, will start all of the wiring next weekend.
Notice the ABS block and all of the brake lines missing? Brake lines / line lock is in the fenderwell, and to get to the other side the passenger front brake line was routed along the K-member.
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Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
Looks good, however I would check how much engine movement you have under hard acceleration. The fuel lines from your regulator to your carburetor are just long enough from the looks of it in your pictures. Wouldn't want to "stretch" them if you know what I mean.
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Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
Good point, and I just shortened them to by about 1 inch --- didn't think about that. Thanks for the heads up.
Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
Look'n damn fine !!
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Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
very nice work
badsnake306- Posts : 131
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Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
Ok, so I think the engine compartment is finally done. I covered up the big holes in the firewall left behind by my removing the heater core. I also fabbed up another metal trim piece to hide the hammer dents/carnage that someone previous to me did to the firewall---it looks definitely alot better, but I might come up with something else in the future.
The car started up a few times, but the starter really struggled, the 12V battery that I have has died a couple times in the past, I think while it is fully charged, once I turn on the ignition, fuel pumps, water pump, then fan, you can hear it load the battery. I was planning on a 16V battery anyway, but I was hoping this battery would be strong enough to run everything while I take a couple minute video.
In any case, driveshaft, rear springs, throttle cable, and 16 V battery will be here next week.
In the meantime here are the finished engine pictures----notice the firewall vs how it looks in early pictures I posted a couple thread pages back. I took some better pictures of the headers after I sanded them.
The car started up a few times, but the starter really struggled, the 12V battery that I have has died a couple times in the past, I think while it is fully charged, once I turn on the ignition, fuel pumps, water pump, then fan, you can hear it load the battery. I was planning on a 16V battery anyway, but I was hoping this battery would be strong enough to run everything while I take a couple minute video.
In any case, driveshaft, rear springs, throttle cable, and 16 V battery will be here next week.
In the meantime here are the finished engine pictures----notice the firewall vs how it looks in early pictures I posted a couple thread pages back. I took some better pictures of the headers after I sanded them.
Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
Wow....very nice....that fire slot in the pistons is borrowed from the Cleveland.............wow again.......D
devildog- Posts : 56
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Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
That is what I call a professional installation. great build
bbf-falcon- Posts : 8995
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Its alive!
Ok, finally got all the issues sorted out. Previous attempts to capture any decent sound was a disaster as it was just too loud. I threw on some dynomax 4 inch inlet/outlet mufflers on it, as two of the tracks I will be racing at have noise restrictions. In any case, here it is---hopefully I will make it to the track very soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1L3sz2UMws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1L3sz2UMws
Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
very nice , sounds wonderful
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Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
music to my ears
'65 T-BOLT- Posts : 1464
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Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
So I am working on getting my license, so I did a couple of 60' and a couple of 330' test passes. Even though I totally f'd up the first two passes, I am getting used to the car, and my second two passes weren't bad.
Here is a video of one of my 330' test passes. An ok 1.378 60' time, leaving at only 4000 on the transbrake. This engine really likes to be above 5000, so I really need to be more aggressive off the line as I feel this car should be in the 1.31-1.33 range. Time to the 330' was a 3.908, which when compared to other ETs that would put me around 9.40. However, I really think this car has an easy 3.8X in it to the 330, which would put me in the 9.30 range on motor only for the 1/4.
Check out the video, I have two camera angles. Watch how long it takes me to cross the line after I get out of it (because I am also braking so I can make the first turn off), and I still manage a 6.73 @ 70.26 mph. Keep in mind I got out of it because I had to, full 1/8th mile license passes next week. I think this car should have a 6.0 in it for the 1/8th on motor only. I haven't weighed it yet, but based off of the 3622 lbs it weighed last time with the old combo, I am hoping it weighs 3450 or so now.
Here is a video of one of my 330' test passes. An ok 1.378 60' time, leaving at only 4000 on the transbrake. This engine really likes to be above 5000, so I really need to be more aggressive off the line as I feel this car should be in the 1.31-1.33 range. Time to the 330' was a 3.908, which when compared to other ETs that would put me around 9.40. However, I really think this car has an easy 3.8X in it to the 330, which would put me in the 9.30 range on motor only for the 1/4.
Check out the video, I have two camera angles. Watch how long it takes me to cross the line after I get out of it (because I am also braking so I can make the first turn off), and I still manage a 6.73 @ 70.26 mph. Keep in mind I got out of it because I had to, full 1/8th mile license passes next week. I think this car should have a 6.0 in it for the 1/8th on motor only. I haven't weighed it yet, but based off of the 3622 lbs it weighed last time with the old combo, I am hoping it weighs 3450 or so now.
Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
Looks good, I'd say it has a bunch more in it once you start tuning and working on the set-up.
What did it weigh in at?
What did it weigh in at?
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Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
looks and sounds very good. That is a very nice looking car too
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Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
dfree383 wrote:Looks good, I'd say it has a bunch more in it once you start tuning and working on the set-up.
What did it weigh in at?
I haven't weighed it yet, I will at the next PSCA event. I am hoping 3450 with me in the car. With the old set up the car was 3622. Yeah, I haven't even touched the shocks yet (strange double adjustables), but from watching the video I think I am going to preload the anti-roll bar more on the passenger side.
KY JELLY wrote:looks and sounds very good. That is a very nice looking car too
Thank you. Now I just need to practice so I can run the car to its full potential.
Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
have you pulled the chip out of the 2 step and put the pedal on the wood while on the t brake and see where the converter stalls to?
richter69- Posts : 13649
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Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
hahaha, where in the hell did you get that avatar?
NO, admittedly I have been somewhat of a pu$$y and have only left at about 4000 rpm so far. Its so different vs my 5 speed auto blower mod motor I used to have.
NO, admittedly I have been somewhat of a pu$$y and have only left at about 4000 rpm so far. Its so different vs my 5 speed auto blower mod motor I used to have.
Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
how are you controlling the leave rpm?
richter69- Posts : 13649
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Re: 572 CID - Stock Kaase P51 heads
I have it chipped at 4000, which it reaches with me only halfway on the gas. I bet if I floored it on the TB with a 5000 chip it would be somewhere between 4500-5000. Do you agree it looks like I need to add more preload to the roll bar on the passenger side?
So what are you thinking, that the converter could be too tight? In the second video (go pro rear facing) you can hear the car go into the powerband towards the top of 1st gear (powerglide) probably 200 feet out or so.
So what are you thinking, that the converter could be too tight? In the second video (go pro rear facing) you can hear the car go into the powerband towards the top of 1st gear (powerglide) probably 200 feet out or so.
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