Re: DO ya think a turbo 400 would have to have a lot of work done??

cool40 December 11th 2010, 4:45 pm

badnotch wrote:well rickster back to subject pm me if you wanna continue this -im game for what you can dish

good move,thanks! Smile

cool40 December 11th 2010, 4:59 pm

2spd vs. 3spd can be a bunch of b/s.too many have said "a glide will pick you up" and it dont always work that way.true in most who go with a glide,you will get a calmer race car that may or may not go faster.i had a c6,went to a c4,didnt pick up shit.all i heard was glide,glide,glide so i now have a glide and didnt pick up shit with it but the car does work much better than with a 3spd.if your building a street friendly car a c6 is your best bet.if it's a race only deal then a glide is a good choice.a th400 is not a good choice for either one.IMO. Smile

badnotch December 11th 2010, 5:34 pm

well i can tell ya my 3 speed works awsome love it - now if someone wants to give me a 2 speed and converter to try and it knocks off 2-3 tenths ill tell everyone on this forum i was wrong and you rule affraid

cool40 December 11th 2010, 5:42 pm

badnotch wrote:well i can tell ya my 3 speed works awsome love it - now if someone wants to give me a 2 speed and converter to try and it knocks off 2-3 tenths ill tell everyone on this forum i was wrong and you rule

nobody give me a glide,i paid for it.

badnotch December 11th 2010, 6:13 pm

why would i spend $ 3500 on a good glide another $ 350 on a drive shaft and another $1200 on a good converter affraid

my car weights # 3300 so a top of the line glide is needed if you want it to last

cool40 December 11th 2010, 6:24 pm

why would somebody give you one?you dont need a glide,you have what you need.a 3spd.i'm the one that said a GLIDE dont always pick you up.good luck with the 400.

665 falcon December 11th 2010, 7:40 pm

whitefield wrote:I can build a c-6 cheaper and out last your 400 turdo or I'll heat the sob! I hear this all the time a customer will call and want me to put a 350 or 400 turdo together for their mustang , and the number one reason is price number two reason is a Ford trans won't live! I call b.s. on that 400 turdo being stock! Thats what I say!
You might want to ask some of the NMRA boys how many of those 400 Turdo they keep for spares and how many of the Hot street boys went back to the power glide because the 400 Wouldn't live. Those boys are just running N/A small block Fords. 440 cid motors.!

Here is one of my c-6 transmissions with 1100 hp turning 9500 rpm and taking off in second gear.
I know what your gone say its not drag racing or using all three gears and I say your not drag a sled!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8Bw1l6DpDo

How much power are SBF are making at 440 N/A ..? .

richter69 December 11th 2010, 7:46 pm

badnotch wrote:why would i spend $ 3500 on a good glide another $ 350 on a drive shaft and another $1200 on a good converter my car weights # 3300 so a top of the line glide is needed if you want it to last

With the power you make middle of the road will do.........

richter69 December 11th 2010, 7:50 pm

badnotch wrote:well rickster back to subject pm me if you wanna continue this -im game for what you can dish

No need for silly pm's, besides you'll have to take a number as there is already a line forming for those that would like to try and whip my ass.....

Dont take it all too personal, after all this is the internet.......... Lol

342g December 11th 2010, 8:30 pm

richter69 wrote:
badnotch wrote:well rickster back to subject pm me if you wanna continue this -im game for what you can dish

No need for silly pm's, besides you'll have to take a number as there is already a line forming for those that would like to try and whip my ass.....

Dont take it all too personal, after all this is the internet.......... Lol

you still getting threatened, you want a body guard, I work cheap. Twisted Evil

DILLIGASDAVE December 11th 2010, 8:32 pm

2 speed vs 3 speed discussions are always good for a laugh. Laughing

Popcorn & beer supply is ready for more fun Razz

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badnotch December 11th 2010, 8:39 pm

no threats just no need to fill the mans thread up with rickster BS as usual -and rickster i make way more power now then 2 months ago Smile

richter69 December 11th 2010, 9:34 pm

considering the op was using this thread as a post count booster in order to sell his procomp heads in the auction block...............which he has sold now no thanks to either forum lol.

and Gerry, I'm glad you found some more power, you were starting to give us BBF guys a bad reputation............ Laughing

whatbumper December 11th 2010, 10:53 pm

665 falcon wrote:
whitefield wrote:I can build a c-6 cheaper and out last your 400 turdo or I'll heat the sob! I hear this all the time a customer will call and want me to put a 350 or 400 turdo together for their mustang , and the number one reason is price number two reason is a Ford trans won't live! I call b.s. on that 400 turdo being stock! Thats what I say!
You might want to ask some of the NMRA boys how many of those 400 Turdo they keep for spares and how many of the Hot street boys went back to the power glide because the 400 Wouldn't live. Those boys are just running N/A small block Fords. 440 cid motors.!

Here is one of my c-6 transmissions with 1100 hp turning 9500 rpm and taking off in second gear.
I know what your gone say its not drag racing or using all three gears and I say your not drag a sled!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8Bw1l6DpDo

How much power are SBF are making at 440 N/A ..? .

850-950 depending on the head choice. the have a weight penalty for different valve angles.

Sorry, not in the mood to argue with fence posts. lol!

It's too damn cold and Indiana Jones is on t.v.

665 falcon December 12th 2010, 5:10 am

whatbumper wrote:
665 falcon wrote:
whitefield wrote:I can build a c-6 cheaper and out last your 400 turdo or I'll heat the sob! I hear this all the time a customer will call and want me to put a 350 or 400 turdo together for their mustang , and the number one reason is price number two reason is a Ford trans won't live! I call b.s. on that 400 turdo being stock! Thats what I say!
You might want to ask some of the NMRA boys how many of those 400 Turdo they keep for spares and how many of the Hot street boys went back to the power glide because the 400 Wouldn't live. Those boys are just running N/A small block Fords. 440 cid motors.!

Here is one of my c-6 transmissions with 1100 hp turning 9500 rpm and taking off in second gear.
I know what your gone say its not drag racing or using all three gears and I say your not drag a sled!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8Bw1l6DpDo

How much power are SBF are making at 440 N/A ..? .

850-950 depending on the head choice. the have a weight penalty for different valve angles.

That's what i was watching, and your right it is cold

Sorry, not in the mood to argue with fence posts. It's too damn cold and Indiana Jones is on t.v.

JT557 December 12th 2010, 10:36 am

Ya know that this post was a serious question,and through the arguments i have found humor...... but in the same sence ,i have found important details, with that said' i do see the points , of both the Glide and the ,400 but i will have to try things from my stand point and go with the 400 first,and if i'm starving for 10ths of a sec. then i'll go for the glide cause there's one thing we all have to remember.:
I'm not going to set a world record with this car,(it's already been done.)..... It's only a bracket car,and I want to have lots of fun with it... and that includes working on it and playing around with it to make it faster.... it's not going to be ,the fastest in the first year,every one has to keep playing with their cars to make them go faster to, and each car run's different,there's no two cars the same, even if their built identical.... correct me if i'm wrong........ But i do want to say thank you for commenting on this post ,your comments help me to learn more about whats good and what not, and all the comments you have get stored in my memory banks. when the time comes for them to be applyed they will.So once again thanx..........JT557............... Very Happy

black xw December 12th 2010, 4:59 pm

I used a JW bellhousing for my TH400 , I cut the housing off the 400 & then bolted up the JW unit. One lesson I learned was that you need to index the new housing as they can be bolted up but the input shaft may be slightly off centre, I did not and it resulted in a broken stator in my convertor. So pulled the housing off & had it checked and milled the face that mates to the pump. 2 years on and the 400 as not missed a beat.

JT557 December 12th 2010, 7:56 pm

black xw wrote:I used a JW bellhousing for my TH400 , I cut the housing off the 400 & then bolted up the JW unit. One lesson I learned was that you need to index the new housing as they can be bolted up but the input shaft may be slightly off centre, I did not and it resulted in a broken stator in my convertor. So pulled the housing off & had it checked and milled the face that mates to the pump. 2 years on and the 400 as not missed a beat.

Thanx ,now that's some encouragement, sounds good just hope it works like that for me and that tidbit of info was helpful thanx..........JT557..........

wild pony December 12th 2010, 11:38 pm

Just put you one of them ford powered wild pony transmissions in there and be done with it study

whitefield December 13th 2010, 1:24 pm

black xw wrote:I used a JW bellhousing for my TH400 , I cut the housing off the 400 & then bolted up the JW unit. One lesson I learned was that you need to index the new housing as they can be bolted up but the input shaft may be slightly off centre, I did not and it resulted in a broken stator in my convertor. So pulled the housing off & had it checked and milled the face that mates to the pump. 2 years on and the 400 as not missed a beat.

If you put a c-6 in it you wouldn't have this problem!

The reason I posted about the hot street is just that they shouldn't be making the same kinda hp or tq as the 600 cubes! So it seems to me if they are having problems with the expensive 400 TURDOs looks like a lesser( stock) trans with larger cubes would have a tougher time holding up!

To the 1200 dollar turbo guy not everyone can get that kind of deal ! I am a trans shop that gets my parts almost for nothing and to build your tans at that cost would mean that you got your parts cheap and little to no labor! the average racer can't do that!

a parts list at close to cost for your trans and you do the math and check the prices and compare:
trans brake valve body 300 not a junk one either!
trans. Core 125
bellhousing 225
cleaner 100
complete stock overhaul kit comes with: clutches, steels , front pump bushing, filter, band and gasket set 115.
Thats 865$ with no shipping , taxes or labor for the build or removing the bell . This also doesn't count for the extra things you mentioned before that was in your trans or a deep or after market pan.

C-6 parts list at walk up idiot price!
valve body 550 bucks
complete race overhaul kit with red racing clutches black or Koelene steels filter new wide band Teflon sealing rings pump gears and bushings 250
deep aluminium pan 100
cleaner 100
core 100
servo 100
machining for extra clutches and all rollerized with cooler and lube hole modification 200 .

For a grand total of 1400 so is a 400 really cheaper ? you saved 200 dollars for a stock chevy trans over a built ford trans! Good luck to th OP!

whitefield December 13th 2010, 1:31 pm

badnotch wrote:ive got about 100 plus- and 400 plus miles

you don't race much 100 passes! I put that on mine last season and didn't have my car together a complete year and over 1000 street miles
lol!

jones December 13th 2010, 3:46 pm

I know you are going to spend $600 in a JW bell and flexplate if you go that route.

The 1,000hp full roller c6 from Broader was same money if not a little less than a Rossler Th400 that he suggested that would hold the trq. Then add $70 for machining the bellhousing off and $600 for the jw housing and flexplate.

Before I pulled my engine I was making 10-12 passes a night at the dragstrip on top of driving too the track and around town.

whatbumper December 13th 2010, 9:17 pm

jones wrote:I know you are going to spend $600 in a JW bell and flexplate if you go that route.

The 1,000hp full roller c6 from Broader was same money if not a little less than a Rossler Th400 that he suggested that would hold the trq. Then add $70 for machining the bellhousing off and $600 for the jw housing and flexplate.

Before I pulled my engine I was making 10-12 passes a night at the dragstrip on top of driving too the track and around town.

bells can be found a lot cheaper and a sawsall works just fine for getting the bell off. but I would still go C6 for his app

badnotch December 13th 2010, 10:15 pm

3070 lbs with driver
10.64 @ 126.79 1/4
6.72 @ 102.54 1/8
True street Car / on pump gas

YOU ALSO DONT MAKE NO POWER Smile

bruno December 13th 2010, 10:20 pm

badnotch wrote:
3070 lbs with driver
10.64 @ 126.79 1/4
6.72 @ 102.54 1/8
True street Car / on pump gas

YOU ALSO DONT MAKE NO POWER

its remarks like that , that will get you the boot ....... this forum will no longer tolerate this kind of sarcasism ...who's next !

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