9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
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9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
OK TRYING TO PIECE TOGETHER A 9 INCH FOR THE STANG
DECIDING ON PARTS TO PUT IN
THINK EITHER 31 OR 33 SPLINE
LOCKER DIFF3.70 GEARS
ECT
WHAT AM I LOOKING FOR.......MAINLY STRIP LITTLE STREET, DONT WANT A SPOOL....
FOUND THIS http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NASCAR-Ford-9-inch-31-spline-H-case-detroit-locker-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem35aec42e7fQQitemZ230565359231QQptZRaceQ5fCarQ5fParts
WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF AN "H" CASE....ARE THERE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES I NEED TO WATCH FOR?
MORE QUESTIONS
WHAT LEGNTH DO I NEED FOR A STOCK 2002 FORD MUSTANG
CAN I BUY BRACKETS TO WORK WITH MY STOCK SUSPENSION TO HAVE WELDED TO THE REAR
DO I NEED CUSTOM AXLES OR DO THEY MAKE A STOCK AXLE TO FIT....TALK TO ME PEOPLE!
DECIDING ON PARTS TO PUT IN
THINK EITHER 31 OR 33 SPLINE
LOCKER DIFF3.70 GEARS
ECT
WHAT AM I LOOKING FOR.......MAINLY STRIP LITTLE STREET, DONT WANT A SPOOL....
FOUND THIS http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NASCAR-Ford-9-inch-31-spline-H-case-detroit-locker-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem35aec42e7fQQitemZ230565359231QQptZRaceQ5fCarQ5fParts
WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF AN "H" CASE....ARE THERE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES I NEED TO WATCH FOR?
MORE QUESTIONS
WHAT LEGNTH DO I NEED FOR A STOCK 2002 FORD MUSTANG
CAN I BUY BRACKETS TO WORK WITH MY STOCK SUSPENSION TO HAVE WELDED TO THE REAR
DO I NEED CUSTOM AXLES OR DO THEY MAKE A STOCK AXLE TO FIT....TALK TO ME PEOPLE!
Re: 9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
I would go with 35 spline for what you were talking about building.
H case just means it is the big bearing case not the stock stuff. NASCAR does not make much torque and their cars are light so they don't need as much axle.
H case just means it is the big bearing case not the stock stuff. NASCAR does not make much torque and their cars are light so they don't need as much axle.
whatbumper- Posts : 3024
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Re: 9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
SO THE H CASE IS GOOD?
I AM THINKING OF PICKING UP A STOCK 9 INCH IF ONE IS MADE THAT FITS THE CORRECT LEGNTH
REMOVING THE BRACKETS
WELDING ON NEW BRACKETS,
PICKING UP A SURPLUS CASE,LOCKER AND GEAR CASE AND GOING FROM THERE
I AM THINKING OF PICKING UP A STOCK 9 INCH IF ONE IS MADE THAT FITS THE CORRECT LEGNTH
REMOVING THE BRACKETS
WELDING ON NEW BRACKETS,
PICKING UP A SURPLUS CASE,LOCKER AND GEAR CASE AND GOING FROM THERE
Re: 9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
Not sure about a stock deal as far as length goes. But any housing you cut old brackets off and then weld new ones on to will be warped. You will have to either straighten it in a press or remove the axle bearing ends and relocate them square to the axles. A jig is required for this. Anything that you will run slicks with should have 31 spline aftermarket axles at a minimum. A good aluminum pinion support is another virtual must with slicks.
A true trac or Detroit locker with aftermarket 31 spline axles. A stock case (preferably an "N" case) with a good pinion support would be the minimum in my opinon.
That being said with a big block and slicks you will eventually break something, axles, the stock case, the locker.
Myself I would be going to an aftermarket iron case, pinion support, 35 spline locker, 1350 u-joint. Package deals look pretty good these days from moser and others.
dkp
A true trac or Detroit locker with aftermarket 31 spline axles. A stock case (preferably an "N" case) with a good pinion support would be the minimum in my opinon.
That being said with a big block and slicks you will eventually break something, axles, the stock case, the locker.
Myself I would be going to an aftermarket iron case, pinion support, 35 spline locker, 1350 u-joint. Package deals look pretty good these days from moser and others.
dkp
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Re: 9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
You can cut the brackets off with a cut-off wheel. And then finnish with #36 grit or flapper wheel. Dont torch it though.This shouldnt warp it. You can always cool it off periodically with a wet rag also.
But when you put new ends and brackets, it should be put in a jig like Dean said.
But when you put new ends and brackets, it should be put in a jig like Dean said.
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Re: 9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
whatbumper wrote:http://www.quickperformance.com/index.htm
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studly- Posts : 512
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Re: 9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
Hey Frank. I have a currie 9" 31 spline with Detroit Locker. You will need brakes for it. Only drawback might be it has 4 lug axles. It's in excellent condition and has less than 500 miles on it. PM me if you interested. I'm in your area... Boothwyn PA. Price will be right... Oh... It's for a fox body...
Jim K
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Re: 9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
email sent.
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Re: 9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
Jim,
I emailed you back today! I should be up on Thursday or this weekend to check it out.
Frank
I emailed you back today! I should be up on Thursday or this weekend to check it out.
Frank
Re: 9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
Ok so i found some housings locally....
They are going to need 99-04 suspension mounts welded on, and the old mounts taked off....
any tips or tricks?
is this something i can do in the garage with a mig welder?
anything i need to do for prep..any bracing i should install?
Frank
They are going to need 99-04 suspension mounts welded on, and the old mounts taked off....
any tips or tricks?
is this something i can do in the garage with a mig welder?
anything i need to do for prep..any bracing i should install?
Frank
Re: 9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
ok i see i need a jig of some sort, where can i buy or how can i make one....
I am big fan of learning how to do everything myself even if it is more expensive in the beginning
I am big fan of learning how to do everything myself even if it is more expensive in the beginning
Re: 9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
Frank, I would give these guys a call http://www.quickperformance.com.
Mike R- Posts : 1381
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I read somewhere that NASCAR Detroit Lockers are different. Something about modifications for left turns only. Just might want to check it out.
I have the jig to narrow and/or replace bearing ends. I have used it several times. YES...warpage is an issue. So is welding sheet metal. Slow down and cool the metal. The jig helps. I tack weld the whole housing to my bench or to to my frame table. Getting the inside of the housing clean after all this work is real important and quite difficult. I finally found a shop that had a large enough hot tank to clean them. Good time for a back brace or a truss.
Just a couple of steps to add to the list....
I have the jig to narrow and/or replace bearing ends. I have used it several times. YES...warpage is an issue. So is welding sheet metal. Slow down and cool the metal. The jig helps. I tack weld the whole housing to my bench or to to my frame table. Getting the inside of the housing clean after all this work is real important and quite difficult. I finally found a shop that had a large enough hot tank to clean them. Good time for a back brace or a truss.
Just a couple of steps to add to the list....
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Re: 9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
the jig you are talking about, is it the long pipe with the inserts that go where the bearing go to keep it all straight?
Should I keep that in when i do the suspension mounts and the rear brace?
Should I keep that in when i do the suspension mounts and the rear brace?
Re: 9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
Yep...the long piece of solid bar stock with the bearing cup adapters on the ends with the center section bolted in. Welding the housing to a flat surface also gives you a 'bench mark' to square and align everything that you are welding in place.
GaryS- Posts : 114
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Re: 9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
detroit lockers only come in 28,31 and 35 spline. just tack your ends on while measuring and setting bracket i to tack the housing to a I beam fixture then cut the end lose and use a bearing fixture align bearing ends and weld
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quick 52- Posts : 612
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Re: 9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
Here's my ancient housing jig setup I made years ago. The C/L alignment bar works with both small & big bearing housing ends. And the jig table rotate 360* to make it easier to do assorted welding on housings.
The C/L alignment bar it's self isn't used to hold the housing straight while other assorted welding is done to the housing (brackets, back brace, etc, etc) that's not it's job. Holding the housing "straight" (tweaking/preloading the axle tube centerlines around if necessary) while welding on the housing is done by bolting/clamping/tack welding the housing to the jig table. The C/L alignment bar's only job is to hold the housing ends in place while tacking/welding them in place. This is done after all the other assorted welding is done to the housing.
The C/L alignment bar it's self isn't used to hold the housing straight while other assorted welding is done to the housing (brackets, back brace, etc, etc) that's not it's job. Holding the housing "straight" (tweaking/preloading the axle tube centerlines around if necessary) while welding on the housing is done by bolting/clamping/tack welding the housing to the jig table. The C/L alignment bar's only job is to hold the housing ends in place while tacking/welding them in place. This is done after all the other assorted welding is done to the housing.
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Re: 9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
Frank, if you still want to do your own housing, contact this guy, Addicted2blnalky@aol.com he makes housing narrowing jigs. Here's a link to his ebay add http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD-9-GM-10-12-BOLT-REAR-END-NARROWING-JIG-/220747299803?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item3365907bdb. Looks like a good tool at an affordable price. I'm going to get one myself.
Mike R- Posts : 1381
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Re: 9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
68stangbbf wrote:email sent.
so i went to see the "barely used" rear and all i can say is wow!!!!!!! One of the best internet or wherever deals ever!
Looks practically new, even had the user manuals for the detroit locker, all receipts everything....pics in morning!
Picked up the rear (which i priced through currie tonight at 2800bucks) for 400!!!!! I dont think i could find a better deal on a rear EVER!!!
thanks again Jim!!!!!!
Re: 9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
Sweet deal there Frank.
That alignment fixture in the ebay link was $409 shipped by itself. I would have sent you mine to use but you would have still been in for a bunch of $$$ in parts.
Now get busy so we can see some track videos
That alignment fixture in the ebay link was $409 shipped by itself. I would have sent you mine to use but you would have still been in for a bunch of $$$ in parts.
Now get busy so we can see some track videos
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Re: 9 INCH TECH QUESTIONS
No problem Frank. Glad I could help you out.
Jim K
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