trouble finding starter to fit 429scj with m/t

I have a 429scj with a 4 speed top load and I have tried a couple starters and ones that will match the circle and mounting holes just barely contact the flywheel. The center hole in the engine plate s 4.084 dia. and the flywheel has 176 tooth count. The bellhousing is 3/8 threaded bottom hole and 3/8 thru hole on top. A 10 tooth starter won't mesh, i'm wondering if there is a starter with 11 or 12 tooth gear available or if someone has had this problem?

A 429 uses a starter with a GM type solenoid attached.

get hold of db they can hook you up on a starter

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rmcomprandy wrote:A 429 uses a starter with a GM type solenoid attached.

early 460's also used that type of starter . CL of drive gear dosnt change going to a non solenoid starter.

mod the bell or the starter will be required to work with the FE flywheel

x2 what dan said

DanH wrote:

rmcomprandy wrote:A 429 uses a starter with a GM type solenoid attached.

early 460's also used that type of starter . CL of drive gear dosnt change going to a non solenoid starter.

mod the bell or the starter will be required to work with the FE flywheel

A later 176 tooth flywheel IS a 460 flywheel; an FE flywheel has 184 teeth.

rmcomprandy wrote:

DanH wrote:

rmcomprandy wrote:A 429 uses a starter with a GM type solenoid attached.

early 460's also used that type of starter . CL of drive gear dosnt change going to a non solenoid starter.

mod the bell or the starter will be required to work with the FE flywheel

A later 176 tooth flywheel IS a 460 flywheel; an FE flywheel has 184 teeth.

OK

But my FE flywheels don't

DanH wrote:

rmcomprandy wrote:

DanH wrote:

rmcomprandy wrote:A 429 uses a starter with a GM type solenoid attached.

early 460's also used that type of starter . CL of drive gear dosnt change going to a non solenoid starter.

mod the bell or the starter will be required to work with the FE flywheel

A later 176 tooth flywheel IS a 460 flywheel; an FE flywheel has 184 teeth.

OK

But my FE flywheels don't

None of mine do either!

There is, (I believe), a 153 tooth coarse tooth ring gear for an FE for the early long shaft starters with the "pull type" bendix' as with a marine engine.
The 184 tooth 15.44" diameter ring gear is standard for most 390/427/428 automotive flywheels.

If your standard trans FE automotive flywheels are different, then they are not originally for an FE.
Believe whatever you wish and best of luck to you.

djebbcobra wrote:I have a 429scj with a 4 speed top load and I have tried a couple starters and ones that will match the circle and mounting holes just barely contact the flywheel. The center hole in the engine plate s 4.084 dia. and the flywheel has 176 tooth count. The bellhousing is 3/8 threaded bottom hole and 3/8 thru hole on top. A 10 tooth starter won't mesh, i'm wondering if there is a starter with 11 or 12 tooth gear available or if someone has had this problem?

first tell us which flywheel your useing? and which bellhousing?

rmcomprandy wrote:There is, (I believe), a 153 tooth coarse tooth ring gear for an FE for the early long shaft starters with the "pull type" bendix' as with a marine engine.
The 184 tooth 15.44" diameter ring gear is standard for most 390/427/428 automotive flywheels.

If your standard trans FE automotive flywheels are different, then they are not originally for an FE.
Believe whatever you wish and best of luck to you.

Like I said . OK
when you do it , get back to me .. my 385 clutch F/W's are 15.4 and the 385 auto F/W's are the same dia. , tooth count as a clutch/auto FE . BUT that in my world

thanks for wishing me luck , also wish you luck

The automotive flex-plate for an automatic trans on a 390/427/428 "FE" engine is the same diameter and also has 184 teeth.
The automotive flex-plate for an automatic trans on a "385" engine is about 1 1/4" smaller in diameter than an automotive stick shift flywheel and has 164 teeth; some have a counterweight and some don't. The manual trans flywheel is a different diameter on an automotive "385" engine than it's flex-plate counterpart.

rmcomprandy wrote:The automotive flex-plate for an automatic trans on a 390/427/428 "FE" engine is the same diameter and also has 184 teeth.
The automotive flex-plate for an automatic trans on a "385" engine is about 1 1/4" smaller in diameter than an automotive stick shift flywheel and has 164 teeth; some have a counterweight and some don't. The manual trans flywheel is a different diameter on an automotive "385" engine than it's flex-plate counterpart.

I could care less if the auto trans F/W is 6" or 6' in diameter. The OP has a Clutch with a top loader.

BTW . what flywheel is used on the 385 engine when a 335 bell for a manual trans is used ? A larger , same size or smaller flywheel than a stock 385 engine ? BTW A C6 for a 385 a 3 bolt starter will work , just need a bolt with a nut .

DanH wrote:

rmcomprandy wrote:The automotive flex-plate for an automatic trans on a 390/427/428 "FE" engine is the same diameter and also has 184 teeth.
The automotive flex-plate for an automatic trans on a "385" engine is about 1 1/4" smaller in diameter than an automotive stick shift flywheel and has 164 teeth; some have a counterweight and some don't. The manual trans flywheel is a different diameter on an automotive "385" engine than it's flex-plate counterpart.

I could care less if the auto trans F/W is 6" or 6' in diameter. The OP has a Clutch with a top loader.

BTW . what flywheel is used on the 385 engine when a 335 bell for a manual trans is used ? A larger , same size or smaller flywheel than a stock 385 engine ? BTW A C6 for a 385 a 3 bolt starter will work , just need a bolt with a nut .

335 engines don't all have the same bellhousing to engine bolt patterns.
There are NO stick shift automotive 335 applications other than early Cleveland stuff and they use a different belhousing bolt pattern; only light truck applications with 351M/400 engines have the same bellhousing bolt pattern.
A 351M/400 and a 385 bellhousing will both FIT a 385 engine however, they are not the same.

Just putting out good information for everyone to read who may have questions about this stuff.

rmcomprandy wrote:

DanH wrote:

rmcomprandy wrote:The automotive flex-plate for an automatic trans on a 390/427/428 "FE" engine is the same diameter and also has 184 teeth.
The automotive flex-plate for an automatic trans on a "385" engine is about 1 1/4" smaller in diameter than an automotive stick shift flywheel and has 164 teeth; some have a counterweight and some don't. The manual trans flywheel is a different diameter on an automotive "385" engine than it's flex-plate counterpart.

I could care less if the auto trans F/W is 6" or 6' in diameter. The OP has a Clutch with a top loader.

BTW . what flywheel is used on the 385 engine when a 335 bell for a manual trans is used ? A larger , same size or smaller flywheel than a stock 385 engine ? BTW A C6 for a 385 a 3 bolt starter will work , just need a bolt with a nut .

335 engines don't all have the same bellhousing to engine bolt patterns.
There are NO stick shift automotive 335 applications other than early Cleveland stuff and they use a different belhousing bolt pattern; only light truck applications with 351M/400 engines have the same bellhousing bolt pattern.
A 351M/400 and a 385 bellhousing will both FIT a 385 engine however, they are not the same.

Just putting out good information for everyone to read who may have questions about this stuff.

Plus don't care if there is no pass. car 351M/400 bell . they were used in trucks like said . Not the same as the 385 manual bell . one would somewhat have a clue to that , from my question about what flywheel would be used if the 335 bell is bolted to a 385 .

say you want to put some good info out . What Flywheel be used with the 400 belll on a 460 ? plus why?
Forgot the 351m/400 is a 335 . if not then what is it ? the lone 400 in a Ranger

1 have one cj starter gm style for 429 cj for manual transmission

94429mustang wrote:1 have one cj starter gm style for 429 cj for manual transmission

Exactly ... that IS a legitimate OEM application for a big block 385 series engine. The 350M/400 C6 was NEVER installed on a big block engine for an OEM application. Neither was the 350M/400 bellhousing.
They are 335 series engines and share the same deck height however, so is a 351C a 335 series engine which has a completely different bellhousing bolt pattern and deck height. As I have clearly said, ALL 335 engines do not have the same bellhousing bolt patterns.
I am not mentioning or questioning what will or will not fit; I am only saying what originally came that way.

It seems some people here don't understand the difference between what originally came from the OEM factory and what can be morphed to fit. One has nothing to do with the other.and I am trying to make the differentiation clear.

I can not remember when a car and a truck were thought-of as the same thing ... it must be something new.

I really don't understand the hostility shown here so, I'm finished in this thread.

rmcomprandy wrote:

94429mustang wrote:1 have one cj starter gm style for 429 cj for manual transmission

Exactly ... that IS a legitimate OEM application for a big block 385 series engine. The 350M/400 C6 was NEVER installed on a big block engine for an OEM application. Neither was the 350M/400 bellhousing.
They are 335 series engines and share the same deck height however, so is a 351C a 335 series engine which has a completely different bellhousing bolt pattern and deck height. As I have clearly said, ALL 335 engines do not have the same bellhousing bolt patterns.
I am not mentioning or questioning what will or will not fit; I am only saying what originally came that way.

It seems some people here don't understand the difference between what originally came from the OEM factory and what can be morphed to fit. One has nothing to do with the other.and I am trying to make the differentiation clear.

I can not remember when a car and a truck were thought-of as the same thing ... it must be something new.

I really don't understand the hostility shown here so, I'm finished in this thread.

I just read to "you cant remember" When did you start needing lessons in modifing OEM parts ? one can forget when back into a corner .

Unable to answer the question in the last post on page 1 ?
OP never said what flywheel installed.. only 176 tooth count
remember your post on LATER F/W .? those external balanced ?

djebbcobra wrote:I have a 429scj with a 4 speed top load and I have tried a couple starters and ones that will match the circle and mounting holes just barely contact the flywheel. The center hole in the engine plate s 4.084 dia. and the flywheel has 176 tooth count. The bellhousing is 3/8 threaded bottom hole and 3/8 thru hole on top. A 10 tooth starter won't mesh, i'm wondering if there is a starter with 11 or 12 tooth gear available or if someone has had this problem?

yes 176 tooth count

Thanks for all the suggestions to help find a starter for my 1970 429scj. I was able to confirm that my flywheel and bellhousing were original and matched my engine, thru the Mustangtech website. I bought four different starter for 460's from the 70's and 80' to try and found a starter for 74 to 77 Lincoln to fit properly. O'reilly Auto parts was very good about letting me test fit all the different starter I tried this week. I was finally able to fire my engine this afternoon and everything sounds great.

If you ever want to change over to a high torque mini starter, I have a Summit Racing starter that has 11 teeth, and it worked great with my 176 tooth McLeod flywheel. It also works nice with a flexplate too. If you ever wanted to try it for the heck of it, I have an extra one that I can loan you for the "test", and you can send it back. These little starters work great, and it turns the engine over fast! If it works for you, I may even make a deal you can't refuse.