a460 v/s Eliminator premier block
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Re: a460 v/s Eliminator premier block
There is more to it than just billet caps, it also has a cam tunnel machined for roller cam bearings. If you need that kind of a foundation for your build, then yes it is worth the extra $$$. You will have about another $1000 in it by the time you get all of the necessary machining done.
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Re: a460 v/s Eliminator premier block
how do you figure that $1000? I wanted a bigger bore than mine came with but it didn't need any machine work.schmitty wrote:There is more to it than just billet caps, it also has a cam tunnel machined for roller cam bearings. If you need that kind of a foundation for your build, then yes it is worth the extra $$$. You will have about another $1000 in it by the time you get all of the necessary machining done.
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Bore/hone, check cam tunnel, line bore, and size lifter bores to your lifter diameter, will all add up. I know that it sounds high, and might be depending on who you use for a machine shop, but it's always better to figure costs on the high side, just in case.
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Re: a460 v/s Eliminator premier block
if I bought a new block that needs all that I wouldn't want another one. Lolschmitty wrote:Bore/hone, check cam tunnel, line bore, and size lifter bores to your lifter diameter, will all add up. I know that it sounds high, and might be depending on who you use for a machine shop, but it's always better to figure costs on the high side, just in case.
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cool40 wrote:if I bought a new block that needs all that I wouldn't want another one. Lolschmitty wrote:Bore/hone, check cam tunnel, line bore, and size lifter bores to your lifter diameter, will all add up. I know that it sounds high, and might be depending on who you use for a machine shop, but it's always better to figure costs on the high side, just in case.
If you bought a new block and didn't do all that, you're either lucky or asking for very expensive problems.
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Re: a460 v/s Eliminator premier block
I don't necessarily need the roller cam bearings and I can get all the machine work done for around 300
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Re: a460 v/s Eliminator premier block
That's must be a minimal amount if work, even if you got a deal. Correct me if im wrong, but I doubt they have that much profit margin on work.MustangDan wrote:I don't necessarily need the roller cam bearings and I can get all the machine work done for around 300
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Re: a460 v/s Eliminator premier block
must be one.if a new block needs a line bore its a pos.lmoCurt wrote:cool40 wrote:if I bought a new block that needs all that I wouldn't want another one. Lolschmitty wrote:Bore/hone, check cam tunnel, line bore, and size lifter bores to your lifter diameter, will all add up. I know that it sounds high, and might be depending on who you use for a machine shop, but it's always better to figure costs on the high side, just in case.
If you bought a new block and didn't do all that, you're either lucky or asking for very expensive problems.
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Re: a460 v/s Eliminator premier block
It is common to HONE [not bore] blocks main housings to the 'high side' to get the main oil clearance needed for high rpm engines. This more so with the china cranks which tend to be on the 'fat' side. It's not much of an issue with a Bryant crankshaft which have main journals that are under the low side of spec.
Re: a460 v/s Eliminator premier block
that could be why I never had problems. I only have bryant cranks.Lem Evans wrote:It is common to HONE [not bore] blocks main housings to the 'high side' to get the main oil clearance needed for high rpm engines. This more so with the china cranks which tend to be on the 'fat' side. It's not much of an issue with a Bryant crankshaft which have main journals that are under the low side of spec.
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Re: a460 v/s Eliminator premier block
on a budget.schmitty wrote:baller
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Re: a460 v/s Eliminator premier block
cool40 wrote:that could be why I never had problems. I only have bryant cranks.Lem Evans wrote:It is common to HONE [not bore] blocks main housings to the 'high side' to get the main oil clearance needed for high rpm engines. This more so with the china cranks which tend to be on the 'fat' side. It's not much of an issue with a Bryant crankshaft which have main journals that are under the low side of spec.
The only problems you 'ballers' have are high tax brackets.
Re: a460 v/s Eliminator premier block
They are going to get higher.... work hard, sacrifice, give to the lazy bastard next door.
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Re: a460 v/s Eliminator premier block
Relative to the honing of the mains:
What is usual is .0004"-.0008". .001" can happen but, rarely. It's no like the block is being re-engineered.....more like tuning i.m.o.
What is usual is .0004"-.0008". .001" can happen but, rarely. It's no like the block is being re-engineered.....more like tuning i.m.o.
Re: a460 v/s Eliminator premier block
How much is a bryant crank ?
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Re: a460 v/s Eliminator premier block
Lem Evans wrote:Pounds or dollars?
Don't it take pounds of dollars to get one
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Re: a460 v/s Eliminator premier block
Billet = Bucks
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Re: a460 v/s Eliminator premier block
MustangDan wrote:How much is a bryant crank ?
714-535-2695 ask for Joe Squires.
Re: a460 v/s Eliminator premier block
I've got two premier blocks and a SVO A460 block. The Premier block is
really nice with all five 4-bolt caps and the heavy duty valley casting.
One of my Premier blocks is 4.650" bore. Rings are NOT a problem from
TotalSeal and Cometic has 4.700" head gaskets. For the price difference
I'd go for the Premier. Which ever you decide on SONIC TEST IT before
you do anything!!!!!
really nice with all five 4-bolt caps and the heavy duty valley casting.
One of my Premier blocks is 4.650" bore. Rings are NOT a problem from
TotalSeal and Cometic has 4.700" head gaskets. For the price difference
I'd go for the Premier. Which ever you decide on SONIC TEST IT before
you do anything!!!!!
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