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Post  1Bad91 December 13th 2010, 9:52 pm

No instructions on the gap, I just gapped close without touching the fins
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Post  Mark Miller December 14th 2010, 12:58 am

When it has no spark at the plug wire are you turning it over with the ignition key?Also does the battery have a good charge in it?Did you try a different coil wire just to rule that out?Or could it possibly be the ignition switch?It seems like your getting spark when testing MSD box with just the key on but nothing when cranking.

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Post  Mark Miller December 14th 2010, 1:04 am

I would also try replacing the rotor even though it's only a couple months old it almost sounds like it's not distributing the spark to the spark plug terminals on the cap.
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Post  1Bad91 December 14th 2010, 1:45 am

Mark Miller wrote:When it has no spark at the plug wire are you turning it over with the ignition key?Also does the battery have a good charge in it?Did you try a different coil wire just to rule that out?Or could it possibly be the ignition switch?It seems like your getting spark when testing MSD box with just the key on but nothing when cranking.

Later Mark

Yes I'm turning the motor over with the ignition. Battery has 12volts. I did not try another coil wire though. It has to be the distributor because the jump wire worked with the same wire so i guess that rules the wire out. Maybe the pickup or magnet is defective. I'm gonna buy an ohm tester tommorrow and figure this out. Thanks for all the help because it truly does help
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Post  The Pope December 14th 2010, 7:42 am

Curt wrote:
BigDave65 wrote:Make sure you have 12v going into the MSD and a good ground.

Yeah, 12v straight to the battery, and ground straight to the battery.

Do you have a good ground between the battery and the block & heads? Question
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Post  lghting94 December 14th 2010, 9:43 am

bad pickup in the distibutor
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Post  1Bad91 December 14th 2010, 2:06 pm

Both heads on the block are both grounded to the motor plate brace with 1/2 inch thick ground wire. I will ohm the wires from the distributor today. This will tel me if the pickup is bad or not. It cant be much.
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Post  BigDave65 December 14th 2010, 4:26 pm

If all else fails, give MSD Tech a call. There usually smarter about this stuff than we are Laughing
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Post  1Bad91 December 19th 2010, 12:06 pm

She is back running again, but smooth idle and all the way till around 3000k......breaks up real bad. Never done this before. Gonna change the plugs and re-gap them. Hope this works.
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Post  Mark Miller December 20th 2010, 12:38 am

What did you do to get it running again?

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Post  1Bad91 December 20th 2010, 12:51 pm

Honestly, I just went back over everything and made sure everything was back right and she fired. I don't have a clue How, but it works now. Weather could of had an impact on things because the car sat for a while and while I wasn't getting spark alot fuel got into the cylinders so that may have had a impact on it as well. But now the car breaks up real bad after 3000k and don't know why. Runs nice and smooth till around 3000 rpms and breaks up REALLY bad.
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Post  1Bad91 December 20th 2010, 12:52 pm

Car does idle much better with timing locked out. More throttle response as well. Now I need to figure out why it breaking up after 3000rpms
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Post  bb429power December 20th 2010, 1:22 pm

Is it misfiring because your throwing too much timing at it? Maybe it doesn't like that amount of timing at the higher rpms, I have no clue. Aren't you running this motor on pump gas?
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Post  1Bad91 December 20th 2010, 2:41 pm

bb429power wrote:Is it misfiring because your throwing too much timing at it? Maybe it doesn't like that amount of timing at the higher rpms, I have no clue. Aren't you running this motor on pump gas?

I ran this motor at 36* for many races and she never did this. Ever since I locked the timing out she acting funny on me. I even used another distributor and it still does the same thing. This motor is 9:8:1 compression so pump gas and the timing was never an issue. The timing dont move now so I know it aint climbing on me while above 3000k. So that cant be the problem, or i wouldnt think so anyways.
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Post  DFI429 December 20th 2010, 9:53 pm

1Bad91 wrote:...Ever since I locked the timing out she acting funny on me. I even used another distributor and it still does the same thing.

What about rotor phasing? I was feeling solid on the recommendation until I re-read you had swapped distributors...but still... are you sure it was good with both?
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Post  richter69 December 20th 2010, 10:59 pm

I wondered this as well, but is the other dizzy you used a known good one?
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Post  1Bad91 December 20th 2010, 11:51 pm

Yes, the other distributor is off my dads BBF foxbody car. Ran on his car fine. I'm thinking it may be the Digital 6 Box. Not sure what else it could be other than the coil, but the car gets spark. I moved the rev limiter from 7000 to 9000 and the car broke up more around 4000 rather than 3000. I don't know about this box but it could go bad after 5 years, could it not? Damn, almost want to buy new coil, distributor, and box but thats money I dont really want to spend. I'm gonna try another box and see if the box is the problem. Car fires up and runs nice and smooth till around 3000 and it breaks up and sputters bad.
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Post  DFI429 December 21st 2010, 12:23 am

I think you may have narrowed it down to the box then... I've read about them going south plenty of times... No particular model either, unfortunately. Sad I'm running a Digital 6 myself but have minimal hours on it so far..
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Post  1Bad91 December 21st 2010, 1:03 pm

I would say my Box has around 400 passes on it and plenty street miles too. Looks new as hell, but got some miles on it for sure.
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Post  bigblok2000ranger December 21st 2010, 1:10 pm

Buy a new box and send that one in to MSD and have it reconditioned I don't recall the cost but it is fair then you have a back-up.
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Post  john f. December 21st 2010, 5:51 pm

I had a similar problem and it turned out to be a cracked magnetic pick up, it only did it every once and awhile so it drove me nut's until I replaced just about every component. The pickup was the last piece in the electronic line.
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Post  BigBlockRanger December 21st 2010, 6:11 pm

Isn't 3000 rpm where an MSD switches from multi-spark to single?
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Post  bb429power December 21st 2010, 6:17 pm

BigBlockRanger wrote:Isn't 3000 rpm where an MSD switches from multi-spark to single?
YES it is, never thought about that before. Shocked I think your on to something here.
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Post  1Bad91 December 21st 2010, 6:38 pm

Just used another box......Turns out I have a bad Ignition box..... cheers
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Post  BigBlockRanger December 21st 2010, 6:38 pm

Also double check your dial is set for 8 cylinder engines (should be #2 on the dial or #6 of you are using the 20° start retard)
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