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Re: Charlie Evans Project
richter69 wrote:after you fix your headlights coug go help Da Snake fix his glow plug issue...............
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Jon I think I got it after talking to you I took the switch out and went to the garage and I had a new one sitting there so I tried it and whala it works now...
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bruno wrote:hey guys lest respect the op , he is also a sponsor of the site and all this bickering should and will be left out of these threads ....
Curt can you and Randy please leave your differences off this site , the name calling seems a little childish ......
thxs guys
BRUNO ... please go back and read it all carefully. I have done NOTHING but, point out actualities, laugh and correct misinterpretations and have called NO names to or about anyone.
I don't have a problem here, it lies elsewhere.
Re: Charlie Evans Project
Oakley Motorsports wrote:Hey guys I just ck the heads and they are 59cc's.
The dish looks cow's azz.........mill the heads about 1/4"...
Re: Charlie Evans Project
i see your point Lem.hell,you can pull some magic out'a your ass and make it work,you the man. O.............. kiss my ass!Lem Evans wrote:Oakley Motorsports wrote:Hey guys I just ck the heads and they are 59cc's.
The dish looks cow's azz.........mill the heads about 1/4"...
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Re: Charlie Evans Project
Looks like beer in the burrette
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Lem Evans wrote:schmitty wrote:Looks like beer in the burrette
Urine
you mean hematuria?
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Its cow piss.............
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nice oil.........
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Re: Charlie Evans Project
richter69 wrote:nice oil.........
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Re: Charlie Evans Project
Thanks Phillip for posting up the pictures.
Guys, a couple of things are fresh on my mind with this build, so please let me mention them.
1. Whenever possible try to straighten up your pushrods and take the angularity out of them. This reduces the sideways drive on your intake rocker, and let's you take duration out of the camshaft.
2. Run as big and strong of a pushrod that you can. The ones in the pictures are 7/16" tapered to 3/8" and .165" wall according to Phillip. Of course the taller the head, and the longer the pushrod, then the need for a big diameter pushrod is even greater.
3. Even though I have a pushrod program for the Pro-Filer 205 heads and also the FRPP C-460 heads, things still need to be checked very carefully by your engine builder. Phillip has given those heads back to me about three times now, and the message is always the same. "I need more pushrod clearance". The difference between brands of shaft rockers, offset or no offset on the intake lifters, block deck height, cup height in the lifter and so on, are just a few of the variables involved.
4. With many of the big symmetrical ports heads, the intake pushrod always crowds the left hand side of the intake port. It gets very thin there, whether it be Hitman heads, DRCE heads, C-460 heads, Pro-Filer heads and the list goes on. Don't take too big of a bite, or you'll break through.
5. It is very important that you get your valve length correct and that all valve stem heights be equal, with shaft mount rockers. There is less of a range of adjustment with shaft mounted rockers than there is with stud mounted rockers.
6. With a one piece stand, such as the W. W. Engineering rockers that are used in the pictures, the differential between exhaust valve tip height verses intake valve tip height is critical. W. W. recommends between .100" and .125" differential between the tip lengths. You can not accommodate any difference that falls outside of that range.
7. Jesel, T&D, W. W. and Crower all say to "plant" the adjuster in the rocker arm until it bottoms out, then give it 1 turn, to 1.5 turns out from the seated position. At this time then carefully measure your needed pushrod length and order them. Do not run the push-rod cups several turns out.
8. Never remove or install a shaft mounted rocker when the valve is in an "open" position. You will bend the shaft hold down bolts when doing so.
9. Always make sure that the underside of your stands clears the tips of the inner row of head studs. Wack off the excess length of the head studs if need be. Back last winter, Phillip got a C-460 headed engine in here to build that had "used" W. W. rocker arms. The steel stands where bent like a horseshoe where the previous engine builder had run them down on top of the inner head studs with an impact wrench I guess.
10. Notice the 210* ball radius on the pushrods, and where they intersect the adjuster cups, on the open intake valve. That's necessary with big lift camshafts. Also, always check your intake lifter tie bar tang, to pushrod clearance. Phillip showed me where he had done same sanding to provide clearance, but if it's really bad, you can run the "Z bar" lifters.
Hope this helps,
Charlie
Guys, a couple of things are fresh on my mind with this build, so please let me mention them.
1. Whenever possible try to straighten up your pushrods and take the angularity out of them. This reduces the sideways drive on your intake rocker, and let's you take duration out of the camshaft.
2. Run as big and strong of a pushrod that you can. The ones in the pictures are 7/16" tapered to 3/8" and .165" wall according to Phillip. Of course the taller the head, and the longer the pushrod, then the need for a big diameter pushrod is even greater.
3. Even though I have a pushrod program for the Pro-Filer 205 heads and also the FRPP C-460 heads, things still need to be checked very carefully by your engine builder. Phillip has given those heads back to me about three times now, and the message is always the same. "I need more pushrod clearance". The difference between brands of shaft rockers, offset or no offset on the intake lifters, block deck height, cup height in the lifter and so on, are just a few of the variables involved.
4. With many of the big symmetrical ports heads, the intake pushrod always crowds the left hand side of the intake port. It gets very thin there, whether it be Hitman heads, DRCE heads, C-460 heads, Pro-Filer heads and the list goes on. Don't take too big of a bite, or you'll break through.
5. It is very important that you get your valve length correct and that all valve stem heights be equal, with shaft mount rockers. There is less of a range of adjustment with shaft mounted rockers than there is with stud mounted rockers.
6. With a one piece stand, such as the W. W. Engineering rockers that are used in the pictures, the differential between exhaust valve tip height verses intake valve tip height is critical. W. W. recommends between .100" and .125" differential between the tip lengths. You can not accommodate any difference that falls outside of that range.
7. Jesel, T&D, W. W. and Crower all say to "plant" the adjuster in the rocker arm until it bottoms out, then give it 1 turn, to 1.5 turns out from the seated position. At this time then carefully measure your needed pushrod length and order them. Do not run the push-rod cups several turns out.
8. Never remove or install a shaft mounted rocker when the valve is in an "open" position. You will bend the shaft hold down bolts when doing so.
9. Always make sure that the underside of your stands clears the tips of the inner row of head studs. Wack off the excess length of the head studs if need be. Back last winter, Phillip got a C-460 headed engine in here to build that had "used" W. W. rocker arms. The steel stands where bent like a horseshoe where the previous engine builder had run them down on top of the inner head studs with an impact wrench I guess.
10. Notice the 210* ball radius on the pushrods, and where they intersect the adjuster cups, on the open intake valve. That's necessary with big lift camshafts. Also, always check your intake lifter tie bar tang, to pushrod clearance. Phillip showed me where he had done same sanding to provide clearance, but if it's really bad, you can run the "Z bar" lifters.
Hope this helps,
Charlie
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Pushrods clearance
Charlie you must have anticipated some phone calls & questions from me LOL.
Thanks for that info,
Frank and I were just talking about these exact things last week
Mark
Thanks for that info,
Frank and I were just talking about these exact things last week
Mark
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Re: Charlie Evans Project
OK HERE IS A DUMB QUESTION ....WHY THE DIFFERENT COLOR PUSHRODS OR DIFFERENT METALS/BRAND ?
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Re: Charlie Evans Project
bruno wrote:OK HERE IS A DUMB QUESTION ....WHY THE DIFFERENT COLOR PUSHRODS OR DIFFERENT METALS/BRAND ?
Just a guess, but that way they can tell the difference between intakes and exhaust at a glance.
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Re: Charlie Evans Project
bruno wrote:OK HERE IS A DUMB QUESTION ....WHY THE DIFFERENT COLOR PUSHRODS OR DIFFERENT METALS/BRAND ?
Segregation
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Re: Charlie Evans Project
Yep ones from the north the other from the south
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Re: Charlie Evans Project
Why is it where the air and fuel go into the head is so high above the deck.........................
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Re: Charlie Evans Project
Looks good Flip.................. good work, gonna be a nice piece I'm sure as usual.
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Re: Charlie Evans Project
IDT-572 wrote:Why is it where the air and fuel go into the head is so high above the deck.........................
Blake,
You may not know this,,,,but in another life,,,,Lem taught the ancient Chinese philosopher Confusius,,,,everything he knew. One of proverbs that Lem taught Confusius was; "He who raises the intake port the highest, wins".
Charlie
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