Trick flow Power Port 325's??

Im looking around to figure out what my new build will be . I read about the new Trick Flow 325 power port heads and was wondering if anyone has used them? I used the Trick Flow 290's before and loved them . How much more power do ya figure you could make with these heads? I think Im either going with them or the P-51's .

Thanks Lew

P51 and be done with it.

^^^^ True Statment, If your starting from Scratch P-51's, If you have a motor that needs stock valve placement heads, the TFS stuff is good.

If starting from scratch go with an A head.

466cj wrote:If starting from scratch go with an A head.

x2 i would think if someone had clean slate that it wouldnt be much more to do a set of a heads ....

bruno wrote:

466cj wrote:If starting from scratch go with an A head.

x2 i would think if someone had clean slate that it wouldnt be much more to do a set of a heads ....

Depends on the goals and use.

I have found if someone is looking at a P-51 head, unless restricted by class rules or simply have a bunch of CJ parts they want to re-use they are better served by an A head. P-51 is at the end of line for what you can do with a CJ head.

dfree383 wrote:

bruno wrote:

466cj wrote:If starting from scratch go with an A head.

x2 i would think if someone had clean slate that it wouldnt be much more to do a set of a heads ....

Depends on the goals and use.

And if you have a good sponsor.

466cj wrote:I have found if someone is looking at a P-51 head, unless restricted by class rules or simply have a bunch of CJ parts they want to re-use they are better served by an A head. P-51 is at the end of line for what you can do with a CJ head.

Well, unfortunately or fortunately depending upon how you look at it ... to a LOT of my customers, COST of the heads and using them, (and the entire build), usually has a whole bunch to do with what parts are used and whether or not they even wish to build it.

Most of them are not independently wealthy.

Nitro Lew wrote:Im looking around to figure out what my new build will be . I read about the new Trick Flow 325 power port heads and was wondering if anyone has used them? I used the Trick Flow 290's before and loved them . How much more power do ya figure you could make with these heads? I think Im either going with them or the P-51's .

Thanks Lew

Lew,
What does the build consist of? The 325cc head has a lot to offer. You are looking at a head that flow very similar numbers to the A460 340cc head without needing all the expensive parts that go with using the A head. If you are going with the 325cc head I would suggest our new Dominator flange Track Heat intake to go with them. The intake was developed around the intake port that is used in this head. If you have further questions, please feel free to contact me at 330-630-1555.


Thanks, Gregg
Trick Flow Tech

rmcomprandy wrote:

466cj wrote:I have found if someone is looking at a P-51 head, unless restricted by class rules or simply have a bunch of CJ parts they want to re-use they are better served by an A head. P-51 is at the end of line for what you can do with a CJ head.

Well, unfortunately or fortunately depending upon how you look at it ... to a LOT of my customers, COST of the heads and using them, (and the entire build), usually has a whole bunch to do with what parts are used and whether or not they even wish to build it.

Most of them are not independently wealthy.

I don't see a P-51 head being much cheaper than an A head. I can see having a bunch of CJ parts making it more expensive to go A-head, but is a saying penny smart, pound foolish. Seems everyone has money to got back a second time when they want to turn it up a notch and put money into something that is at the end of the road.

Gregg@TFS wrote:

Nitro Lew wrote:Im looking around to figure out what my new build will be . I read about the new Trick Flow 325 power port heads and was wondering if anyone has used them? I used the Trick Flow 290's before and loved them . How much more power do ya figure you could make with these heads? I think Im either going with them or the P-51's .

Thanks Lew

Lew,
What does the build consist of? The 325cc head has a lot to offer. You are looking at a head that flow very similar numbers to the A460 340cc head without needing all the expensive parts that go with using the A head. If you are going with the 325cc head I would suggest our new Dominator flange Track Heat intake to go with them. The intake was developed around the intake port that is used in this head. If you have further questions, please feel free to contact me at 330-630-1555.


Thanks, Gregg
Trick Flow Tech

Gregg,

Care to explain what all those expensive A head parts are? I'd be interested to see some build and dyno data to back up what you will get and how much it will cost. BTW not trying to be a jerk, just having a hard time seeing what you are saying, not that I am too old to learn... Thanks Steve

Gregg@TFS wrote:

Nitro Lew wrote:Im looking around to figure out what my new build will be . I read about the new Trick Flow 325 power port heads and was wondering if anyone has used them? I used the Trick Flow 290's before and loved them . How much more power do ya figure you could make with these heads? I think Im either going with them or the P-51's .

Thanks Lew

Lew,
What does the build consist of? The 325cc head has a lot to offer. You are looking at a head that flow very similar numbers to the A460 340cc head without needing all the expensive parts that go with using the A head. If you are going with the 325cc head I would suggest our new Dominator flange Track Heat intake to go with them. The intake was developed around the intake port that is used in this head. If you have further questions, please feel free to contact me at 330-630-1555.


Thanks, Gregg
Trick Flow Tech

Greg, I used the 290's on my notchback with a pump gas 466 stock bottom end and ran 6.24 n/a ! Kick ass heads for the money !! This time I plan to build a 545 stroker on pump gas, big solid roller and a powerglide . I would like to see arond 750 hp . ...and yes cost does have a lot to do with what head I use . I dont realy wonna spend the money on a A - head because I realy dont think I need to for my goal .

Thanks Lew

Nitro Lew wrote:

Gregg@TFS wrote:

Nitro Lew wrote:Im looking around to figure out what my new build will be . I read about the new Trick Flow 325 power port heads and was wondering if anyone has used them? I used the Trick Flow 290's before and loved them . How much more power do ya figure you could make with these heads? I think Im either going with them or the P-51's .

Thanks Lew

Lew,
What does the build consist of? The 325cc head has a lot to offer. You are looking at a head that flow very similar numbers to the A460 340cc head without needing all the expensive parts that go with using the A head. If you are going with the 325cc head I would suggest our new Dominator flange Track Heat intake to go with them. The intake was developed around the intake port that is used in this head. If you have further questions, please feel free to contact me at 330-630-1555.


Thanks, Gregg
Trick Flow Tech

Greg, I used the 290's on my notchback with a pump gas 466 stock bottom end and ran 6.24 n/a ! Kick ass heads for the money !! This time I plan to build a 545 stroker on pump gas, big solid roller and a powerglide . I would like to see arond 750 hp . ...and yes cost does have a lot to do with what head I use . I dont realy wonna spend the money on a A - head because I realy dont think I need to for my goal .

Thanks Lew

That power can be achieved with the 325cc head with ease. Like I said the biggest thing you will want to do is get the intake that matches that head. It will save you a great deal of porting and messing around with any other intake out there.

lots of 900-1000 hp n/a P51 deals floating around..........

richter69 wrote:lots of 900-1000 hp n/a P51 deals floating around..........

900 hp yes... 1,000 hp not too many... not all that easy to do.... can do 900 hp N/A with an A very easy, 1,100 hp N/A A headed engines around too...

Regardless is all good,

Steve

I would say the biggest cost variables between the factory/cj style heads and the A heads are the initial price of the heads, intake, custom pistons and custom bbc flange headers. Other than that all appears to be equal ...lol

138 wrote:I would say the biggest cost variables between the factory/cj style heads and the A heads are the initial price of the heads, intake, custom pistons and custom bbc flange headers. Other than that all appears to be equal ...lol

I would have too agree w/that. There's no doubt if I was starting out from scratch it would be the A's. The return would be so much more even when it's time to resale. Even one of the old set of A's will out flow any oem style head . jmooc

i bought the tfs

466cj wrote:[quote=

Care to explain what all those expensive A head parts are? I'd be interested to see some build and dyno data to back up what you will get and how much it will cost. BTW not trying to be a jerk, just having a hard time seeing what you are saying, not that I am too old to learn... Thanks Steve

Not including the $100.00 more for the heads ... Let's start with an intake manifold which costs hundreds more dollars, you'll need a set of Custom pistons which are about twice as much money then move on to headers which are almost a $1,000.00 then we should probably have looked to see if it will even fit in your car / chassis without some modifications being done there.

Randy, while I see the point you are trying to make I will say that the retail difference between a so called "mafia" intake manifold and the 1X4 TFS A460 manifold is $175 which is a bit short of "hundreds more dollars". I'm thinking the P51 package does not included Ti retainers...if I am correct in my thinking a set of P51 ungraded to Ti retainers would be ~ the same $s as the 10 bolt tfs A460 package.

It is agreed that not every owner/appication needs or wants a A460 package.

rmcomprandy wrote:

466cj wrote:[quote=

Care to explain what all those expensive A head parts are? I'd be interested to see some build and dyno data to back up what you will get and how much it will cost. BTW not trying to be a jerk, just having a hard time seeing what you are saying, not that I am too old to learn... Thanks Steve

Not including the $100.00 more for the heads ... Let's start with an intake manifold which costs hundreds more dollars, you'll need a set of Custom pistons which are about twice as much money then move on to headers which are almost a $1,000.00 then we should probably have looked to see if it will even fit in your car / chassis without some modifications being done there.

First I'd like to say for the OP wanting 750hp he don't need no P-51, Street 325, or A-head to do that.

FOr the sake of this conversation lets say we want to make 900+ hp...

Lets see Summit lists the Street 325 head for $1,350 ea. complete and the A head 340 one for $1,350, one for $1,400 lets just say $100. Intake the mafia intake is $460, the A 4V intake $635 so an extra $175. Now the A head T-Ram is $615, hmmm guess you either run a Weiand on the Street 325 or P-51 head or spring for a sheet metal intake $$$. Guess we will have to stick to the 4V.

Pistons - custom??? may want to check out Diamond pistons... looked on RPM machines site, std and kasse pistons $782, A head $1,026 so an extra $244

Stud girdle - looking at B.F. Evans site about an extra $10 for the "A"

So for all the special parts $529. Keep in mind these are new prices, plenty of used A heads and intakes out there for less.

Now headers / application - since we are talking 900+ hp here I'd say many applications will work fine with a chevy header, and for some the chevy flange pattern will be a plus like in a dragster or a boat. Not to mention are you going to use a 2" primary header on your 900+ hp street 325 or P-51? Don't think so...

Lets look at a Fox body Mustang, ever heard of CPR? Can get a CJ flange race header for about $740. How about to bolt to an A-Head... same price $740.

So all said and done going to cost you an extra $500 for an A-head and if you want to run a tunnel ram not going to be any saving going Street 325 or P-51...

Steve

I just went from TFS Street heads to Aheads in my Tbird. I've had to do alot of changing things. But if you were starting from scratch ,I'd go with the A-heads everytime. I wish I'd done it long ago. Plus ,they just simply look Badazz!!The ports are so much bigger and designed way better.There's just not much money difference in the hardware for everything for the results you get. they are quite a bit taller,in a tube chassis it's not much hassle ,but I can see where in a foxbody or something where a 460 has limited space.It could tight real fast.And as we all know.....no matter how fast you go , after a few passes you always want MORE!!

Ain't that the truth. It's a disease we all have.

I think this thread has gone way off track ! We all know that A heads are better ! I just wanted to see if anyone has used the new TFS 325's . I have kids and im on a very tight budget so if A heads will coast me $500 more then it is a big deal to me ! I'm not trying to build a 900hp track only car here. My goal is 750hp on pump gas . To tell you the truth I think i could get close to that with the 290's on a 545 . Hell my setup on my notch was TFS 290's, xe292 cam, 1050 4150 , " with a truck bottom end"...lol This setup made 605 to the rear wheels. Thats was with a loose converter 9" rear and 29.5 inch tires ....so the car must have been making close to 700hp !! Ran 6.20's at a 3400lbs race weight . I think on a 545 that setup would get me very close to my goal....just saying