Trick flow Power Port 325's??

starting with a _________ to fill go with the a heads, you wont be sorry,and you'll be glad you did.

Lem Evans wrote:Randy, while I see the point you are trying to make I will say that the retail difference between a so called "mafia" intake manifold and the 1X4 TFS A460 manifold is $175 which is a bit short of "hundreds more dollars". I'm thinking the P51 package does not included Ti retainers...if I am correct in my thinking a set of P51 ungraded to Ti retainers would be ~ the same $s as the 10 bolt tfs A460 package.

It is agreed that not every owner/appication needs or wants a A460 package.

I was comparing the TFS 325's to the "A" heads in retail price.
OK ... almost hundreds more for the intake. AND, for the sake of price, you don't NEED a Mafia intake; although it would be good.

[quote="466cj"][quote="rmcomprandy"]

466cj wrote:[quote=

So for all the special parts $529. Keep in mind these are new prices, plenty of used A heads and intakes out there for less.

Steve

PLENTY ? ... find me just ONE used unmodified intake to buy for less than $400.00.
A NEW Victor 460 is $325.00 RETAIL.

I am not required to buy a Diamond piston to get ones "off the shelf" for that amount of money for a NON "A" head.

I can certainly buy CJ headers for less than $740.00.

theres an A460 INTAKE ON CRAIGS LIST right now for 150.00

http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/pts/2923405606.html
Ford Motorsports A460 intake manifold, no porting but it has been milled to match heads, a thicker intake gasket will allow it to bolt up to newer heads with less/no milling. - $150

BOSS 429 wrote:theres an A460 INTAKE ON CRAIGS LIST right now for 150.00

http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/pts/2923405606.html
Ford Motorsports A460 intake manifold, no porting but it has been milled to match heads, a thicker intake gasket will allow it to bolt up to newer heads with less/no milling. - $150

MILLED ... do you know how much...? Will it fit virgin TFS "A" heads on an undecked "A" block...?

I'd buy it tomorrow if it is guaranteed that it would.

my freinds calling about it right now,probaly too late to call,we'll see. if its like most its probaly just skimmed a little,and goes right on with no worries

he just pmed me said newyork cl shows one for 275.00

hes says hes going to call that guy also

rmcomprandy wrote:

BOSS 429 wrote:theres an A460 INTAKE ON CRAIGS LIST right now for 150.00

http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/pts/2923405606.html
Ford Motorsports A460 intake manifold, no porting but it has been milled to match heads, a thicker intake gasket will allow it to bolt up to newer heads with less/no milling. - $150

MILLED ... do you know how much...? Will it fit virgin TFS "A" heads on an undecked "A" block...?

I'd buy it tomorrow if it is guaranteed that it would.

You said show you one, it took 5 minutes to find one... 5 MINUTES. The question was about the TFS or P51 I believe. Either would be fine for the said goals. If the question is dollar for dollar hp then the Ahead has more potential period. This is going to sound horrible, however I'm gonna say it anyway...if $500 or so dollars is enough to influence the whole direction of a build...well you get the idea. I've spent more than that on stuff during the course of a build that I didn't use and didn't even try to resell, but that's not the question...is it?

[quote="rmcomprandy"][quote="466cj"]

rmcomprandy wrote:

466cj wrote:[quote=

So for all the special parts $529. Keep in mind these are new prices, plenty of used A heads and intakes out there for less.

Steve

PLENTY ? ... find me just ONE used unmodified intake to buy for less than $400.00.
A NEW Victor 460 is $325.00 RETAIL.

I am not required to buy a Diamond piston to get ones "off the shelf" for that amount of money for a NON "A" head.

I can certainly buy CJ headers for less than $740.00.

So is that off the shelf Victor going to support 900+ hp? You going to buy 2-1/4" primary CJ headers for a lot less than $740? We can keep changing things up til the cows come home. I think the point has been made. 900+ hp don't come cheap no matter what head you use and the gap in price to build an A-head engine starts to close quickly and the advantage becomes significant. Steve

rmcomprandy wrote:

BOSS 429 wrote:theres an A460 INTAKE ON CRAIGS LIST right now for 150.00

http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/pts/2923405606.html
Ford Motorsports A460 intake manifold, no porting but it has been milled to match heads, a thicker intake gasket will allow it to bolt up to newer heads with less/no milling. - $150

MILLED ... do you know how much...? Will it fit virgin TFS "A" heads on an undecked "A" block...?

I'd buy it tomorrow if it is guaranteed that it would.

Your an engine guy...does anything REALLY fit? Or do you just bolt it together, we all know the answer to that. None of this stuff is goes together without a rub here, or a grind there. I hear golf is less frustrating.

Nitro Lew wrote:I think this thread has gone way off track ! We all know that A heads are better ! I just wanted to see if anyone has used the new TFS 325's . I have kids and im on a very tight budget so if A heads will coast me $500 more then it is a big deal to me ! I'm not trying to build a 900hp track only car here. My goal is 750hp on pump gas . To tell you the truth I think i could get close to that with the 290's on a 545 . Hell my setup on my notch was TFS 290's, xe292 cam, 1050 4150 , " with a truck bottom end"...lol This setup made 605 to the rear wheels. Thats was with a loose converter 9" rear and 29.5 inch tires ....so the car must have been making close to 700hp !! Ran 6.20's at a 3400lbs race weight . I think on a 545 that setup would get me very close to my goal....just saying

Sorry we got of track, but sometimes the sharing of information is good and we learn. I think you are on the right track that working with what you got may be the way to go as your goal is NOT all that lofty.

If you could run race gas certain be easier. If I was to make a suggestion (at my own peril lol) I'd say start a new thread to see what can be done with what you have now. Lots of smart guys on here!

Steve

Barney wrote:Your an engine guy...does anything REALLY fit? Or do you just bolt it together, we all know the answer to that. None of this stuff is goes together without a rub here, or a grind there. I hear golf is less frustrating.

LOL Bolt together? Fit? NEVER! I think when it does happen that stuff actually fits the manufacturer modifies it so it don't!

BTW you left out the #$@^%& with the rub here, grind there... LOL

Steve

Barney wrote:

rmcomprandy wrote:

BOSS 429 wrote:theres an A460 INTAKE ON CRAIGS LIST right now for 150.00

http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/pts/2923405606.html
Ford Motorsports A460 intake manifold, no porting but it has been milled to match heads, a thicker intake gasket will allow it to bolt up to newer heads with less/no milling. - $150

MILLED ... do you know how much...? Will it fit virgin TFS "A" heads on an undecked "A" block...?

I'd buy it tomorrow if it is guaranteed that it would.

Your an engine guy...does anything REALLY fit? Or do you just bolt it together, we all know the answer to that. None of this stuff is goes together without a rub here, or a grind there. I hear golf is less frustrating.

It's pretty easy to remove metal but, it's kinda difficult to put it back, LOL.

[quote="rmcomprandy"]

Barney wrote:

rmcomprandy wrote:

BOSS 429 wrote:theres an A460 INTAKE ON CRAIGS LIST right now for 150.00

http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/pts/2923405606.html
Ford Motorsports A460 intake manifold, no porting but it has been milled to match heads, a thicker intake gasket will allow it to bolt up to newer heads with less/no milling. - $150

MILLED ... do you know how much...? Will it fit virgin TFS "A" heads on an undecked "A" block...?

I'd buy it tomorrow if it is guaranteed that it would.

Your an engine guy...does anything REALLY fit? Or do you just bolt it together, we all know the answer to that. None of this stuff is goes together without a rub here, or a grind there. I hear golf is less frustrating.
It's pretty easy to remove metal but, it's kinda difficult to put it back, LOL.

there's a solution for everything...

Nitro Lew wrote:I think this thread has gone way off track ! We all know that A heads are better ! I just wanted to see if anyone has used the new TFS 325's . I have kids and im on a very tight budget so if A heads will coast me $500 more then it is a big deal to me ! I'm not trying to build a 900hp track only car here. My goal is 750hp on pump gas . To tell you the truth I think i could get close to that with the 290's on a 545 . Hell my setup on my notch was TFS 290's, xe292 cam, 1050 4150 , " with a truck bottom end"...lol This setup made 605 to the rear wheels. Thats was with a loose converter 9" rear and 29.5 inch tires ....so the car must have been making close to 700hp !! Ran 6.20's at a 3400lbs race weight . I think on a 545 that setup would get me very close to my goal....just saying

to get 750 hp and pump gas....... Build it as big as you can afford.

The P-51's are a step up from the TFS heads, your goal gets easier with better heads.

The A460 heads add weight and can be an issue in packing then in some chassis. but they will make more power when equally modified to the factory style heads.

IMO for the Budget minded, I'd do a set of Ford Racing SCJ's with a 521" stroke kit lem has right now..... Nice price and can do 650-700hp as a well proven package with a little porting and the proper camshaft.

If your building a budget minded street use motor IMO durability is more important than power. You can't have fun with it if its breaking and requires expensive maintence all the time.

dfree383 wrote:

Nitro Lew wrote:I think this thread has gone way off track ! We all know that A heads are better ! I just wanted to see if anyone has used the new TFS 325's . I have kids and im on a very tight budget so if A heads will coast me $500 more then it is a big deal to me ! I'm not trying to build a 900hp track only car here. My goal is 750hp on pump gas . To tell you the truth I think i could get close to that with the 290's on a 545 . Hell my setup on my notch was TFS 290's, xe292 cam, 1050 4150 , " with a truck bottom end"...lol This setup made 605 to the rear wheels. Thats was with a loose converter 9" rear and 29.5 inch tires ....so the car must have been making close to 700hp !! Ran 6.20's at a 3400lbs race weight . I think on a 545 that setup would get me very close to my goal....just saying

to get 750 hp and pump gas....... Build it as big as you can afford.

The P-51's are a step up from the TFS heads, your goal gets easier with better heads.

The A460 heads add weight and can be an issue in packing then in some chassis. but they will make more power when equally modified to the factory style heads.

IMO for the Budget minded, I'd do a set of Ford Racing SCJ's with a 521" stroke kit lem has right now..... Nice price and can do 650-700hp as a well proven package with a little porting and the proper camshaft.

If your building a budget minded street use motor IMO durability is more important than power. You can't have fun with it if its breaking and requires expensive maintence all the time.

X2 ... For less than 800 horsepower, that was my point here. Your $hithouse doesn't need to be made of brick; .

Hey LEM ... out of curiousity, did you guys ever dyno test Morgan's engine...?

rmcomprandy wrote: Your $hithouse doesn't need to be made of brick; .

No, but it would be nice to have a good vent to get rid of the gasses.

rmcomprandy wrote:

dfree383 wrote:

Nitro Lew wrote:I think this thread has gone way off track ! We all know that A heads are better ! I just wanted to see if anyone has used the new TFS 325's . I have kids and im on a very tight budget so if A heads will coast me $500 more then it is a big deal to me ! I'm not trying to build a 900hp track only car here. My goal is 750hp on pump gas . To tell you the truth I think i could get close to that with the 290's on a 545 . Hell my setup on my notch was TFS 290's, xe292 cam, 1050 4150 , " with a truck bottom end"...lol This setup made 605 to the rear wheels. Thats was with a loose converter 9" rear and 29.5 inch tires ....so the car must have been making close to 700hp !! Ran 6.20's at a 3400lbs race weight . I think on a 545 that setup would get me very close to my goal....just saying

to get 750 hp and pump gas....... Build it as big as you can afford.

The P-51's are a step up from the TFS heads, your goal gets easier with better heads.

The A460 heads add weight and can be an issue in packing then in some chassis. but they will make more power when equally modified to the factory style heads.

IMO for the Budget minded, I'd do a set of Ford Racing SCJ's with a 521" stroke kit lem has right now..... Nice price and can do 650-700hp as a well proven package with a little porting and the proper camshaft.

If your building a budget minded street use motor IMO durability is more important than power. You can't have fun with it if its breaking and requires expensive maintence all the time.

X2 ... For less than 800 horsepower, that was my point here. Your $hithouse doesn't need to be made of brick; .

Hey LEM ... out of curiousity, did you guys ever dyno test Morgan's engine...?

No, but it will be.....it'd be June I suspect. Gonna base line it and then remove the heads for mods and redyno to measure the before and after.
B.t.w. , if you ever need one of the old style TFS/FMS low rise A460 1x4 manifolds, unmolested, let me know.

Sorry Lew,this thread did get a little off course,but I still think it was informative to say the least. No one is actually wrong and it gives us a chance to shoot the shit.

bbf-falcon wrote:Sorry Lew,this thread did get a little off course,but I still think it was informative to say the least. No one is actually wrong and it gives us a chance to shoot the shit.

All is good and all in good fun..

Nitro Lew wrote:I think this thread has gone way off track ! We all know that A heads are better ! I just wanted to see if anyone has used the new TFS 325's . I have kids and im on a very tight budget so if A heads will coast me $500 more then it is a big deal to me ! I'm not trying to build a 900hp track only car here. My goal is 750hp on pump gas . To tell you the truth I think i could get close to that with the 290's on a 545 . Hell my setup on my notch was TFS 290's, xe292 cam, 1050 4150 , " with a truck bottom end"...lol This setup made 605 to the rear wheels. Thats was with a loose converter 9" rear and 29.5 inch tires ....so the car must have been making close to 700hp !! Ran 6.20's at a 3400lbs race weight . I think on a 545 that setup would get me very close to my goal....just saying

You combo is almost the same as mine that Im building as we speak........and with your thread you got me thinking about stepping up to the 325s....But I still believe the 290s would be perfect for my combo still....what intake do you have on this combo?

With the right camshaft and compression 750 should be doable with the as stated flow of the 325's on pumpgas. Did not get to dyno mine but using online calculator and also the old slide rule mph vs. weight my 523 was making 696hp@6300 and it was undercammed and now after finally getting the truck weighed I believe the truck was ~200# heavier than I had thought.

When I bought my tfs streets several years ago I paid 1300 for the pair bare. I put top shelf valves, springs, ti retainers, all the good stuff and did major porting to them and the victor 4500. The result was a 429 on pump gas that ran 9.90's and 141mph on 93 octane. I think the little tfs streets work their asses off! I have them on my new 557 with about 14 to 1 comp and has run 1.29 60ft 5.80's in the eighth, 9.20 at 153. Still on the foot brake. This new motor makes so much low end power that I am having to change a few things up in the setup to take advantage of the extra power. What I am getting at is where do you want to make power? If it is down low use the head that is at its peak with your cubes. I have a friend that has a 532 with A heads in a car very similar to mine in weight etc. He has to rev the motor quite a bit higher then I do to make the power.
I know the A's will make more power that is no doubt but if you are using this thing any on the street I think the smaller heads will give you a more responsive and better seat of the pants feel then the big A's.