cam break in oil - 1400ppm ZDDP

i figured i would offer some information from a product i found for cam break in and operation. Lucas Oil has a product called High TBN long drain truck oil. if you look up its spec sheet you see the it has 1400 ppm ZDDP (the compound missing from modern oil). This is more than VR-1 and any other product i have found. i haven't found it on the shelf at any of the stores around me but i order through summit for the price of any other oil that you would buy for a car today. i have used it a couple times for break in and continued operation and have had success so far.

link to the product wed site
http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=48&catid=13&loc=show

Spec sheet: shows 0.14 wt pct ZDDP (1400 ppm)
http://www.lucasoil.com/images/medialibrary/30_15W_40_Magnum.pdf

i hope this helps

Chris

Thats cool info!! Lucas always has made good stuff IMO, I'll have to see if they have that around here.

Bill

Thanks for the info Chris!

Many folks don't realize that you certainly can have too much ZDDP in the oil and have it cause problems too. Too much can cause face pitting of the cam/lifters.

The other issue is the fact that they are bragging on the extra high detergent level. This creates another problem for break-in from what I understand. In other words, it can remove the zinc about as fast as it builds up. That is part of the problem with the newer Rotella oil.

Bret Powell

Bret Powell wrote:The other issue is the fact that they are bragging on the extra high detergent level. This creates another problem for break-in from what I understand. In other words, it can remove the zinc about as fast as it builds up. That is part of the problem with the newer Rotella oil.

Bret Powell

I'm not sure I follow you Bret ? I've been running Shell Rotella with comp cams break in lube, should I be doing something Differant ?

Shane,

I read about government mandated reduction in zinc and phosporus and Shell upping the detergent for Rotella a while back. I can no longer find the information so... I'll just recant my previous statement(s) for now. My appology for any misleading done here. However it is recommended at Bob's the Oil Guy along with others that zinc break-in additives be used in conjuction with the Rotella. I now have a good source of additive from Erson Cams I've been using during break-in's with very good results and NO issues.

I usually use straight weights and prefer Valvoline VR1 straight wts for break-ins, If it is a higher end flat tappet deal then I use Brad Penn break-in 30 weight. Roller cam deals I usually run BradPenn 20-50 and or 10-30 from the get go.

My appology, Bret

Just because a truck oil has zddp does NOT make it a race oil .

The diesel oil is shyt now with the CJ-4 rating, i changed the oil in my truck today and I have one change left of the good old stuff left.

I have a customer who inherited 55 gallons of Shell Rotella oil when his father-in-law who ran heavy equipment passed away. The barrel is from about 6 years ago so it's the "good stuff".

Have you looked Collector Automobile Motor oil? Over 1600ppm ZDDP 15W40 specially formulated for flat bottom lifter engines. Lots of other information on their website explaining the differneces in motor oil, racing oil, diesel oil. Check out the website at www.camoils.com For the USA there is Classic Car motor Oil.

The OIL is only part of the break-in process but, most people want to believe the OIL will be a "magic bullit".
There are substitutes for oil however, there is no substitute for using the correct break-in procedure.

Just the other day one of my Dad's friends who's a petroleum engineer stopped by for lunch. We were talking about oil formulations and he was saying that one of the problems with oils right now is that their detergent packages are not necessarily compatible with ZDDP compounds. This makes having an aftermarket additive that you dump into an oil sometimes not function as intended. What happens is that the detergents tend to latch onto the ZDDP molecules and instead of allowing them to do their job they instead are kept away from the parts they are put in there to protect.

rmcomprandy wrote:The OIL is only part of the break-in process but, most people want to believe the OIL will be a "magic bullit".
There are substitutes for oil however, there is no substitute for using the correct break-in procedure.

The quality of parts and materials have alot to due with the failures too.

dfree383 wrote:

rmcomprandy wrote:The OIL is only part of the break-in process but, most people want to believe the OIL will be a "magic bullit".
There are substitutes for oil however, there is no substitute for using the correct break-in procedure.

The quality of parts and materials have alot to due with the failures too.

so very true, Ive broke in a few flat/hyd cams this year along with installing roller cams still never had a cam problem, ever

since the 70's still no cam failed

I use strieght 40w valvoline with brake in addive and a FL1A oil filter.Never whipped a cam out yet but they are always a chance when braking one in with all the new additives they are adding now days.My Dad told me to use a non detergent oil with the brake in additive that way the additive would work like it was design to work.I got a 79 4x4 with a 460 getting ready to make a cam and intake swap in for a guy on the site.Daddy and me were talking about all the additives in oil last weekend when he ask who truck I had and what I was going to do to it when he told me about the non detergent oil.Then I ran across this post and some of the statements in it is what he was telling me about oils.What do you guy think about the non detergent oils?



Jim

John Deere break in oil for break in and first race then straight to AMSOIL!