Good night of testing

The clutch may not "multiply" any thing. But it don't lose 10% horse power either. Any body who thinks an automatic car is faster has ran never a clutch car.

The slush box MIGHT be more consistent and the initial investment is less. But don't be fooled. Just like everything else in life, cheaper don't equal better.

A clutch car,even when you cant hit your ass, is the most fun you can have with your clothes on.

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Copperhead_Road wrote:Not taking this as a smart ass answer. My class, Edelbrock Hot Street does not allow a Lenco and penalizes you with weight for any kind of clutch transmission. It's a no brainer here as I have to run what I have. I am sure Mr. Bowles has twice the amount of converters and transmissions at his disposal than I do as well as Robbie Blankenship and Ben Mens. I could not do it with out sponsors period. But I have to have the different converters as we race from Michigan to New Jersey and down into Florida. We have found that each track likes what it likes and you have got to show up to win not place in the field. We can't afford to show up with 1 combo at all the races, the feild is simply to tight and it is for each man to be on top of his game or you will be left behind.

I've been spectating on this board for quite sometime and it looks like the classes that most are running are pretty much wide open so thats why I posed the questions. DDS and the KOV are interesting to me cause there is no limiting factors like our N/A class in which we are on a true 10.5 tire most are running a 400 inch small block automatic cars no bars and with a 4150 carb and the record right now is a 8.392 by Robbie and a 157.45 by Tim. Not being a smart ass either just our small block N/A racecar is as fast as the stuff you are talking about here.

not being a smart ass either but most of us dont have a sponsor so we just do the best we can.what kinda change does your small block deal cost?how long does it live?

Just around 900 hp + or -, Alot of $$$ to get those numbers not no bolt together deal either. 1 season max, it may last longer but why would anyone want to chance that when there is such a big intial investment.

fastracecars wrote:The clutch may not "multiply" any thing. But it don't lose 10% horse power either. Any body who thinks an automatic car is faster has ran never a clutch car.

The slush box MIGHT be more consistent and the initial investment is less. But don't be fooled. Just like everything else in life, cheaper don't equal better.

A clutch car,even when you cant hit your ass, is the most fun you can have with your clothes on.

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I agree Tim.

Seems like a lot of $$$ and aggrevation for a 900 hp deal. I dont know what the weight braks are for runnin a smaller engine but man one of thse conv headed BBF "bracket" motors we all have and the generic PG w good converter deals sure are less trouble.............

fastracecars wrote:A clutch car,even when you cant hit your ass, is the most fun you can have with your clothes on.www.dragsterheaders.com

I beg to differ.................try skydiving, you'll change your mind
And I'm not talking that BS tandem crap either

-John

More & more of the outlaw/ADRL Pro Mods are switching from a clutch/Lenco setup to a converter driven LencoDrive (or Bruno-Lenco) and they seem to be faster & smoother pass to pass than before. Plus I would guess the traction control boxes work a little more efficiently with a converter vs a clutch.

fastracecars wrote:The clutch may not "multiply" any thing. But it don't lose 10% horse power either. Any body who thinks an automatic car is faster has ran never a clutch car.

The slush box MIGHT be more consistent and the initial investment is less. But don't be fooled. Just like everything else in life, cheaper don't equal better.

A clutch car,even when you cant hit your ass, is the most fun you can have with your clothes on.

www.dragsterheaders.com

the slush box has always been a good topic as in 2spd vs 3spd so a lenco in the mix should make for some good talk.i thought about a lenco pritty hard before i went with the glide cuz you sure would'nt have a converter to mess with.the slush box has its place as does the lenco.we all like what we run for one reason or another.does the clutch for a lenco need a lota upkeep?one guy who ran one told me his did'nt,just every week

"Just around 900 hp + or -, Alot of $$$ to get those numbers not no bolt together deal either."
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Speaking of bolt together deals.........in hind sight most guys that need five or seven converters wish they had bought the bolt together thing the 1st. time.

Lem Evans wrote:"Just around 900 hp + or -, Alot of $$$ to get those numbers not no bolt together deal either."
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Speaking of bolt together deals.........in hind sight most guys that need five or seven converters wish they had bought the bolt together thing the 1st. time.

no shit! i just did'nt want to learn how to set it up.kinda like building a trans,i'm sure i could learn but i dont care to as long as i can pay somebody.

No glide or Lenco included

cool40 wrote:

fastracecars wrote:The clutch may not "multiply" any thing. But it don't lose 10% horse power either. Any body who thinks an automatic car is faster has ran never a clutch car.

The slush box MIGHT be more consistent and the initial investment is less. But don't be fooled. Just like everything else in life, cheaper don't equal better.

A clutch car,even when you cant hit your ass, is the most fun you can have with your clothes on.

www.dragsterheaders.com

the slush box has always been a good topic as in 2spd vs 3spd so a lenco in the mix should make for some good talk.i thought about a lenco pritty hard before i went with the glide cuz you sure would'nt have a converter to mess with.the slush box has its place as does the lenco.we all like what we run for one reason or another.does the clutch for a lenco need a lota upkeep?one guy who ran one told me his did'nt,just every week

We made 206 passes last year. Not sure about the year before. Our 2 year old disc wore out last August. We machined the flywheel and plate. Put a new disc in and were ready to go. We cut the old disc for a spare.Total cost $225.
We bought our Lenco from Lenco. It was taken out of Dyno Don's PST. They made us a good deal. We paid $ 6500 for it. I had to sell my first Lenco to buy it. I made $800 profit from the sale of it. After racing it for 3 years. Anyway, we finally had the Lenco serviced at the US Nationals{no freight} because I felt guilty. Total cost of freshen up $600. After 8 years of use.

As far us the every week clutch service, it depends on what you are doing. We run the 5135 clutch compound. Ya just cant mess it up. Yeah, at the end of the season the flywheel and PP looks schmeared. Black and blue. Nasty. I cover it with a rag and put it back in come spring.

It is very easy to manage with a data logger. If were we seriously trying to set low et EVERY pass, we would run a 5191 compound and service it more often. With the 5135 about all we will do is adjust for track conditions. That takes about 15 -30 minutes to adjust counterweight or base pressure with a person to turn the engine.

I guess what I am trying to say here is it aint voodoo. I know the initial investment is a bitch too. But over the long haul, if you are trying to race, it is cheaper in the long run. Don't confuse trying to race with trying to go the track cheap as possible and I think my point is clear.

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I am scared of heights and my mother in-law. BTW do you have a stick car?

I beg to differ.................try skydiving, you'll change your mind
And I'm not talking that BS tandem crap either

-John[/quote]

Yuck Tim, I'm not afraid of my mother in law, but there is no way I would tandem jump with her.

Curt,

She was pretty tough a while back. You would have been of her scared too.

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Copperhead_Road wrote:Not taking this as a smart ass answer. My class, Edelbrock Hot Street does not allow a Lenco and penalizes you with weight for any kind of clutch transmission. It's a no brainer here as I have to run what I have. I am sure Mr. Bowles has twice the amount of converters and transmissions at his disposal than I do as well as Robbie Blankenship and Ben Mens. I could not do it with out sponsors period. But I have to have the different converters as we race from Michigan to New Jersey and down into Florida. We have found that each track likes what it likes and you have got to show up to win not place in the field. We can't afford to show up with 1 combo at all the races, the feild is simply to tight and it is for each man to be on top of his game or you will be left behind.

I've been spectating on this board for quite sometime and it looks like the classes that most are running are pretty much wide open so thats why I posed the questions. DDS and the KOV are interesting to me cause there is no limiting factors like our N/A class in which we are on a true 10.5 tire most are running a 400 inch small block automatic cars no bars and with a 4150 carb and the record right now is a 8.392 by Robbie and a 157.45 by Tim. Not being a smart ass either just our small block N/A racecar is as fast as the stuff you are talking about here.

LOVE to watch Hot Street Class... I haven't made any of the NMRA races this year but I'm sure we will be racing at the NMRA World Finals. I just need to renew my membership.

What's your car number? Name?

I agree Randy. The only NMRA race i will attend is Columbus,only because I compete and they have alot of Nostalgia cars there competing also. I like NMCA to watch all brands,especially the Nos. S/S cars.

It's more fun if you're racing