New 7 liter engine from Ford...???

Yea, I felt the same way. what a let down... Still waiting to see what the tow specs will be for the F250 and 350. I was hoping to buy a new superduty with the 7.3 gas, but unless the tow ratings surprise me, I'll probably just pick up a used one with a 6.7.

The positive is with its design. It should be able to make huge power with aftermarket parts.

I would LOVE to see what it makes with just a camshaft change....

SLord82 wrote:430hp 475lbft meh. Feels like a big let down. I guess its just enough to be "best in class".

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/amp28578854/ford-7-3-liter-v-8-trucks/

Wonder how long before a supercharger is available !!!
That should wake it up

Availability is going to be the biggest problem for the hotrodders. The ls motors are in practically everything GM makes (in some form or another) so they were readily available years later. Making a SD only engine is going to cut that supply drastically I think. I have only seen a handful of SD trucks in our local Pull a part and they are usually stripped when they get there. You head over to the GM rows and there are LS motors everywhere.

jasonf wrote:Availability is going to be the biggest problem for the hotrodders. The ls motors are in practically everything GM makes (in some form or another) so they were readily available years later. Making a SD only engine is going to cut that supply drastically I think. I have only seen a handful of SD trucks in our local Pull a part and they are usually stripped when they get there. You head over to the GM rows and there are LS motors everywhere.

Your are right, but if Ford is smart, they will make it available to the aftermarket like MOPAR has done.

I was hoping for 500+ ft lbs in factory form and I would imagine with a tune and exhaust it will be there BUT looking at the torque curve and hooked to a 10 speed it should be a good tow vehicle for what I do. 400+ ft lbs from 1500 to 5500 I like. It is not a diesel but it is also not boosted or come with the expense either.

wayne

I’m guessing fuel mileage is pretty crappy. Which will put this engine to bed pretty quick.

stanger68 wrote:I’m guessing fuel mileage is pretty crappy. Which will put this engine to bed pretty quick.

I believe I saw a statement that it will be better then the v10 and I THINK I saw where it might be better then the 6.2

HorsinAround wrote:

stanger68 wrote:I’m guessing fuel mileage is pretty crappy. Which will put this engine to bed pretty quick.

I believe I saw a statement that it will be better then the v10 and I THINK I saw where it might be better then the 6.2

Not being a smartass but that doesn’t tell me much. My old 5.4 was only 13 around town. If you really worked for it on a long trip it would do 16. I just recently bought a 6.7 diesel and it so far is way better. I’ve been averaging 17 around town. Haven’t had it long enough to take a long trip to see what it will really do.

but for the cost of the diesel option the first 50000 miles of gas is free . not counting that diesel is more expensive and the maintenance cost more.

wayne

stanger68 wrote:

HorsinAround wrote:

stanger68 wrote:I’m guessing fuel mileage is pretty crappy. Which will put this engine to bed pretty quick.

I believe I saw a statement that it will be better then the v10 and I THINK I saw where it might be better then the 6.2

Not being a smartass but that doesn’t tell me much. My old 5.4 was only 13 around town. If you really worked for it on a long trip it would do 16. I just recently bought a 6.7 diesel and it so far is way better. I’ve been averaging 17 around town. Haven’t had it long enough to take a long trip to see what it will really do.

Not surprisingly Evan J Smith is building a foxbody with the new 7.3l. For those that don't know Evan has been at Muscle Mustang& Fast Fords magazine for ever and has written some of the articles about the new 7.3l specs.

https://www.facebook.com/evan.smith.9440?__tn__=%2CdlCH-R-R&eid=ARCZctdTs4cKF75cq06saGVxDY8NAq04iXyQOzwcTezX9uUGfabDa-469ErIgj1zNGzM40t4d1nEe923&hc_ref=ARTqQXR58KDwU-bhaBEFfegGFJkMnYAEfTYqye5DApyUzDxagMX8TlIYxILcuz1KG68&hc_location=group

jasonf wrote:Not surprisingly Evan J Smith is building a foxbody with the new 7.3l.  For those that don't know Evan has been at Muscle Mustang& Fast Fords magazine for ever and has written some of the articles about the new 7.3l specs.

https://www.facebook.com/evan.smith.9440?__tn__=%2CdlCH-R-R&eid=ARCZctdTs4cKF75cq06saGVxDY8NAq04iXyQOzwcTezX9uUGfabDa-469ErIgj1zNGzM40t4d1nEe923&hc_ref=ARTqQXR58KDwU-bhaBEFfegGFJkMnYAEfTYqye5DApyUzDxagMX8TlIYxILcuz1KG68&hc_location=group

Very interesting!! I guess with connection like that he gets a nice mock up to build from. Looks like he is planning a turbo. Would be nice is see a nice build with a Whipple 5 or 8.3 liter. Either one offers a standard roots based pattern with axial or top inlet. If you have ever been around a screw blower you would appreciate the boost.

wayney wrote:but for the cost of the diesel option the first 50000 miles of gas is free . not counting that diesel is more expensive and the maintenance cost more.

wayne

stanger68 wrote:

HorsinAround wrote:

stanger68 wrote:I’m guessing fuel mileage is pretty crappy. Which will put this engine to bed pretty quick.

I believe I saw a statement that it will be better then the v10 and I THINK I saw where it might be better then the 6.2

Not being a smartass but that doesn’t tell me much. My old 5.4 was only 13 around town. If you really worked for it on a long trip it would do 16. I just recently bought a 6.7 diesel and it so far is way better. I’ve been averaging 17 around town. Haven’t had it long enough to take a long trip to see what it will really do.

Not if your towing a load. You’ll be in the single digits with gas. You’ll wish you had paid the extra $50 a month for that diesel when you’re shopping at every exit to buy gas. Do the math. 13 mpg gas is the same as 16 mpg diesel at current fuel prices. And that’s just inner city commuting. Weight doesn’t impact mileage as bad with diesel when pulling a load. Not only that, when you’re not pulling a load you’ll get 20+ mpg on the interstate traveling. It’s a no brainer to me. Gas engines belong in light duty trucks.

stanger68 wrote:

wayney wrote:but for the cost of the diesel option the first 50000 miles of gas is free . not counting that diesel is more expensive and the maintenance cost more.

wayne

stanger68 wrote:

HorsinAround wrote:

stanger68 wrote:I’m guessing fuel mileage is pretty crappy. Which will put this engine to bed pretty quick.

I believe I saw a statement that it will be better then the v10 and I THINK I saw where it might be better then the 6.2

Not being a smartass but that doesn’t tell me much. My old 5.4 was only 13 around town. If you really worked for it on a long trip it would do 16. I just recently bought a 6.7 diesel and it so far is way better. I’ve been averaging 17 around town. Haven’t had it long enough to take a long trip to see what it will really do.

Not if your towing a load. You’ll be in the single digits with gas. You’ll wish you had paid the extra $50 a month for that diesel when you’re shopping at every exit to buy gas. Do the math. 13 mpg gas is the same as 16 mpg diesel at current fuel prices. And that’s just inner city commuting. Weight doesn’t impact mileage as bad with diesel when pulling a load. Not only that, when you’re not pulling a load you’ll get 20+ mpg on the interstate traveling. It’s a no brainer to me. Gas engines belong in light duty trucks.

I have not seen a new (3/4 and 1 ton) diesel truck ford or dodge that will get anywhere near 20 mpg. Most I have seen and heard from people who own them is about 15-16 empty and the one's I seen in the dealership that carried a big load were around 10-11 mpg

lance flake wrote:

stanger68 wrote:

wayney wrote:but for the cost of the diesel option the first 50000 miles of gas is free . not counting that diesel is more expensive and the maintenance cost more.

wayne

stanger68 wrote:

HorsinAround wrote:

stanger68 wrote:I’m guessing fuel mileage is pretty crappy. Which will put this engine to bed pretty quick.

I believe I saw a statement that it will be better then the v10 and I THINK I saw where it might be better then the 6.2

Not being a smartass but that doesn’t tell me much. My old 5.4 was only 13 around town. If you really worked for it on a long trip it would do 16. I just recently bought a 6.7 diesel and it so far is way better. I’ve been averaging 17 around town. Haven’t had it long enough to take a long trip to see what it will really do.

Not if your towing a load. You’ll be in the single digits with gas. You’ll wish you had paid the extra $50 a month for that diesel when you’re shopping at every exit to buy gas. Do the math. 13 mpg gas is the same as 16 mpg diesel at current fuel prices. And that’s just inner city commuting. Weight doesn’t impact mileage as bad with diesel when pulling a load. Not only that, when you’re not pulling a load you’ll get 20+ mpg on the interstate traveling. It’s a no brainer to me. Gas engines belong in light duty trucks.

I have not seen a new (3/4 and 1 ton) diesel truck ford or dodge that will get anywhere near 20 mpg. Most I have seen and heard from people who own them is about 15-16 empty and the one's I seen in the dealership that carried a big load were around 10-11 mpg

I have a customer that recently purchased a 3/4 ton truck to daily drive in his construction business. He dropped down from a crew cab dually because daily fuel cost were eating him alive. He and 3 members of his family took the new truck from South Carolina to Orlando for a vacation. He was astonished by the highway mileage not towing and constant 80 mph cruise. He claims 20 mpg. I have no reason to doubt the guy as he is a numbers man and if he had gotten anything different he would be cussing his investment.

lance flake wrote:


I have not seen a new (3/4 and 1 ton) diesel truck ford or dodge that will get anywhere near 20 mpg. Most I have seen and heard from people who own them is about 15-16 empty and the one's I seen in the dealership that carried a big load were around 10-11 mpg

My 2017 F250 crew cab FX4 gets 15-16 mpg. I can get 20 when I am coasting down a hill maybe. My average economy is around 14-15 including city driving. I have not towed with it yet. It has 45000 miles and has not changed since day one and I drive 75-80+ during my 800 mile commute to work several times a month.

If you are pulling every day then a diesel is a no brainer but if you use it to go 30 miles to your local track or to the bash once a year a gas can be just fine. It all depends on need. My old 7.3 got 20 empty but you load that up with a 35' enclosed trailer and it was around 10-11.

7.3 gasser Starting to show up on dealer lots now.

Good stuff @ 14:20 mark
430 hp...475 ft. lbs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VitaZVUdVdU&feature=emb_title

BigBlockRanger wrote:I'll take one in a fox body plz.

You may get that option ...
Ford Performance Parts is working on offering a crate motor with a trans and programmable ECM.

rmcomprandy wrote:

BigBlockRanger wrote:I'll take one in a fox body plz.

You may get that option ...
Ford Performance Parts is working on offering a crate motor with a trans and programmable ECM.

rmcomprandy wrote:

BigBlockRanger wrote:I'll take one in a fox body plz.

You may get that option ...
Ford Performance Parts is working on offering a crate motor with a trans and programmable ECM.

I hope so.

Would be nice if it's a full crate engine and ecu, wiring harness, etc. for under 10K.
Would also be nice if the 7.3 has the same bellhousing pattern as the modular family

rmcomprandy wrote:

BigBlockRanger wrote:I'll take one in a fox body plz.

You may get that option ...
Ford Performance Parts is working on offering a crate motor with a trans and programmable ECM.

Very tempting for my 03GT!

should be a cool hot rod engine. wish I could get my hands on one . I could run it off an aftermarket EFI like fast xfi. add 2 turbos. it would be cool in the elephant with a 6r80 behind it.

wayne

rmcomprandy wrote:

BigBlockRanger wrote:I'll take one in a fox body plz.

You may get that option ...
Ford Performance Parts is working on offering a crate motor with a trans and programmable ECM.

Any idea what trans they are planning to offer? I'm guessing the new 10 speed auto?

I was in error about the trucks being delivered.
All the 7.3 Super Duty trucks are on hold.

It seems that pre-production 7.3 engines ran fine.
However, the production engines did not get so lucky.
The production ones are suffering catastrophic valve guide destruction.
The oil pans are filled with "glitter" from the deteriorated valve guides, which in effect means it is all throughout the engine.

Word has it all the SD models sitting in various lots throughout the L-Ville and Southern Indiana area are awaiting engine swaps. They are pulling the engine and trans at the same time, swapping engines and re-install.
I would venture to say Ford will crush all the engines with the bad guides.

This is sad news

Well.... I tell ya for ONCE Ford is doing the right thing. I surprised they didn’t ship them to the dealers and put a stop delivery hold on them. And make the techs install heads on them under warranty. We had oil pressure issues on the new 2017 6.7L. There was a stop delivery hold recall. We checked oil press if it didn’t pass. We had to put front engine covers in the . Y’all about taking it in the ass!!!!