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Curt wrote:

rmcomprandy wrote:Curt: I'll rarely say ANYTHING as an ABSOLUTE unless I've actually A-B tested it in a fair comparison. But, you can believe whatever you want to believe; that is your right.

Randy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I know,,,,,,,,,,,,, you are a god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If it werent for you, we would not have had Adam & Eve. I am becoming a believer in RANDY. I have forwarded this forum to Warren Johnson, Roy Johnson, Jon Kaase, David Reher, Jack Roush, Richard Childress, Roger Penske and Larry Morgan. They have concurred that stud rockers and girdles would be better (just cause you said).

Thank you Lord Randy

Go BACK and read Curt 'cause you're putting words in my mouth.
I never said that stud rockers with a girdle was always better ... only that shaft mounted rockers weren't necessarily better.

And Barney, If there was another actual A-B test performed then I didn't see it here. That is, if you know what an actual A-B test is; (same conditions and directly back to back).

If you guys want to be simply name calling because I believe more in actual scientificly controlled A-B testing than any other testing performed under differing conditions and different circumstances then I have no problem accepting whatever name you choose.

If you don't like that then just don't accept it or even read it. That's your prerogative.

OH, and I can show you several broken Jesel shafts, bearing cages and bent trunions too ... just because there sometimes is breakage, doesn't make it bad.

I guess I'm done on this thread because some people will NEVER understand the difference between a subjective point of view and something which can be pinpointed as "black & white".

rmcomprandy wrote:

Curt wrote:

rmcomprandy wrote:Curt: I'll rarely say ANYTHING as an ABSOLUTE unless I've actually A-B tested it in a fair comparison. But, you can believe whatever you want to believe; that is your right.

Randy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I know,,,,,,,,,,,,, you are a god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If it werent for you, we would not have had Adam & Eve. I am becoming a believer in RANDY. I have forwarded this forum to Warren Johnson, Roy Johnson, Jon Kaase, David Reher, Jack Roush, Richard Childress, Roger Penske and Larry Morgan. They have concurred that stud rockers and girdles would be better (just cause you said).

Thank you Lord Randy

Go BACK and read Curt 'cause you're putting words in my mouth.
I never said that stud rockers with a girdle was always better ... only that shaft mounted rockers weren't necessarily better.

And Barney, If there was another actual A-B test performed then I didn't see it here. That is, if you know what an actual A-B test is; (same conditions and directly back to back).

If you guys want to be simply name calling because I believe more in actual scientificly controlled A-B testing than any other testing performed under differing conditions and different circumstances then I have no problem accepting whatever name you choose.

If you don't like that then just don't accept it or even read it. That's your prerogative.

OH, and I can show you several broken Jesel shafts, bearing cages and bent trunions too ... just because there sometimes is breakage, doesn't make it bad.

I guess I'm done on this thread because some people will NEVER understand the difference between a subjective point of view and something which can be pinpointed as "black & white".

Whos calling names? Your the one who assumes that people dont know what A-B is and that your so superior in every way. Same truck, same motor, same track, same sled, seems pretty A-B to me. A broke shit, B didnt seems obvious doesnt it? How many A head motors that see 8500 RPM for 25-30 seconds at a time do you see running stud mounts? If you dont like it maybe you shouldnt be so condescending in the way you talk to people CONSTANTLY. Its funny how your examples are no less subjective than Boss429's yet you keep preaching about relevance. Another thing that is funny was your pet rock comment, and Whether or not I remember them. What does that have to do with anything? Are you implying that Im too young to know anything. Just so you know and to quail curiosity. I'm 35, have 2 Bachelors degrees, My father raced a 48 Anglia in Super Comp, I grew up in the shop, and at the Dragstrip, rebuilt my first carb at 7, my first engine at 12, and ran my first 8 second pass at 16. Does that qualify me to have an opinion in your Greatness's presence. I went back and and reviewed your post history and found very little HELPFUL information. What I did find was a lot of grumpy rambling, useless common knowledge, small minded opinions, and "I'm better than you" rhetoric. You say " if you dont like it dont read it", I say if you dont like it dont post it.

c.evans wrote:Hey guys,

Can't we all just get along with one another? Everybody count to 10 and just chill out and let's call a truce.

Uncle Charlie

bbf-falcon wrote:

c.evans wrote:Hey guys,

Can't we all just get along with one another? Everybody count to 10 and just chill out and let's call a truce.

Uncle Charlie

And these pissin match deals only confuse most people.

x2!

what was this thread even about....originally lol.

cool40 wrote:got some #'s on them today...... in..200=176.300=241.400=321.500=400.600=452.700=472.800=486.900=498 ex..200=153.300=204.400=246.500=302.600=334.700=348.800=359.900=368

richter69 wrote:what was this thread even about....originally lol.

flow numbers! and that when the pissen started.

Barney wrote:

rmcomprandy wrote:

Curt wrote:

rmcomprandy wrote:Curt: I'll rarely say ANYTHING as an ABSOLUTE unless I've actually A-B tested it in a fair comparison. But, you can believe whatever you want to believe; that is your right.

Randy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I know,,,,,,,,,,,,, you are a god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If it werent for you, we would not have had Adam & Eve. I am becoming a believer in RANDY. I have forwarded this forum to Warren Johnson, Roy Johnson, Jon Kaase, David Reher, Jack Roush, Richard Childress, Roger Penske and Larry Morgan. They have concurred that stud rockers and girdles would be better (just cause you said).

Thank you Lord Randy

Go BACK and read Curt 'cause you're putting words in my mouth.
I never said that stud rockers with a girdle was always better ... only that shaft mounted rockers weren't necessarily better.

And Barney, If there was another actual A-B test performed then I didn't see it here. That is, if you know what an actual A-B test is; (same conditions and directly back to back).

If you guys want to be simply name calling because I believe more in actual scientificly controlled A-B testing than any other testing performed under differing conditions and different circumstances then I have no problem accepting whatever name you choose.

If you don't like that then just don't accept it or even read it. That's your prerogative.

OH, and I can show you several broken Jesel shafts, bearing cages and bent trunions too ... just because there sometimes is breakage, doesn't make it bad.

I guess I'm done on this thread because some people will NEVER understand the difference between a subjective point of view and something which can be pinpointed as "black & white".

Whos calling names? Your the one who assumes that people dont know what A-B is and that your so superior in every way. Same truck, same motor, same track, same sled, seems pretty A-B to me. A broke shit, B didnt seems obvious doesnt it? How many A head motors that see 8500 RPM for 25-30 seconds at a time do you see running stud mounts? If you dont like it maybe you shouldnt be so condescending in the way you talk to people CONSTANTLY. Its funny how your examples are no less subjective than Boss429's yet you keep preaching about relevance. Another thing that is funny was your pet rock comment, and Whether or not I remember them. What does that have to do with anything? Are you implying that Im too young to know anything. Just so you know and to quail curiosity. I'm 35, have 2 Bachelors degrees, My father raced a 48 Anglia in Super Comp, I grew up in the shop, and at the Dragstrip, rebuilt my first carb at 7, my first engine at 12, and ran my first 8 second pass at 16. Does that qualify me to have an opinion in your Greatness's presence. I went back and and reviewed your post history and found very little HELPFUL information. What I did find was a lot of grumpy rambling, useless common knowledge, small minded opinions, and "I'm better than you" rhetoric. You say " if you dont like it dont read it", I say if you dont like it dont post it.

With two PHD's I'm trying to figure out just why you aren't able to comprehend what I've actually said instead of what you wish to interject into a hidden meaning which isn't intended to be there. You actually believe you can KNOW the thoughts I might be presuming or not...?
That in itself is simply rediculous. I say what I mean and mean what I say with nothing in the background; (unless it's facetious funnin').
IF those tests were performed "back to back" in the same time frame then that is A-B. In that case I appologize for not giving that opinion creedence however, no where before in here has that fact been stated. In THAT instance your shafts performed better. What I've said here is that I have performed testing which shows the opposite conclusions therefore NEITHER is necessarily always better.
You won't seem to grasp that "ALWAYS BETTER" part and I really don't have any clue why because evidently, you know better.
So, what's the excuse...? It seems to me that you simply want to argue over what you THINK is what I've said.
Again, that's also your prerogative to think that way but, it takes two to argue and I'm finished on this thread.

I'm finished on this thread.


you already said that

res0rli9 wrote:I'm finished on this thread.


you already said that

Yep ... I know. I "guessed" I was ...
People put thoughts in my head which aren't there and words in my mouth which were never said so, I wanted to clarify that.

Bachelor Degrees arent PHD's and my checking account unfortunately proves it. And I will agree that there is very little out there that is ALWAYS better. I do however feel in this particular situation that there would be benefits to shafts given the RPM that A heads like to see. No more, No less. That was my whole point to begin with.

Just like the bunny............STILL GOING

cool40 wrote:

cool40 wrote:got some #'s on them today...... in..200=176.300=241.400=321.500=400.600=452.700=472.800=486.900=498 ex..200=153.300=204.400=246.500=302.600=334.700=348.800=359.900=368

richter69 wrote:what was this thread even about....originally lol.

flow numbers! and that when the pissen started.

more so that the above flows were questiond, then rockers, then we started about shafts. adding rocker ratios , higher ratios


what some dont get is the fact with todays cam ramps a higher ratio is better then a larger cam, higher ratio more load,yes a little but worth it at the valve, because the engine rev's faster as well
we have a bbc< yes i said that. that we have been going higher on the rato for the last 2 years started @1.70 runs about 8000rpm now, no worse for wear so far,now this engine has not been tore down since last year so we will see, it has stud mounted rockers. in testing the higher ratios did there job. we probaly wont get to test it anymore this year so it will come apart soon,if time and money alow's it will be tested with shafts next.


lem is right theres more load,but is it worth it?, everthing we have done with them have been pos+.

Kinda come down to this, run what you want to run, it's your money do with it as you want. I would say that Randy has probably dealt with more high end engines than any of us here and if he were to suggest something to me I would definately be all ears and not be questioning his opinions. You can call me names or demean me in any way you desire, but I know where to get good solid advice and I for one appreciate his being here and helping us out.

i like everyone's opinion as well,you never know what may help you out with the subject at hand.i have an idea! sometime,somewhere,some of you guys f=v(ken up this thred could get together with a shaft setup and a stud setup and a dyno and see who's got the edge.if yall still cant work it out,use the shaft set to take a swing at somebody and the guy's with the stud mounts can throw them at the other guy's and that should make a dam good use of both of them!however if one were to throw a set of shaft's it realy wouldnt be a fair test but you'd only get 2 chances at the guy with 16 rockers so we still may not be able to get a real A/B answers.

[quote="schmitty"]Kinda come down to this, run what you want to run, it's your money do with it as you want. I would say that Randy has probably dealt with more high end engines than any of us here and if he were to suggest something to me I would definately be all ears and not be questioning his opinions. You can call me names or demean me in any way you desire, but I know where to get good solid advice and I for one appreciate his being here and helping us out.[/quote;
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schmitty , please reread all my post on this thread, im not questioning andys thoughts, only what there based on. ive already said i know he cant aford the shafts, im explaining that for what this head can do there better,hands down over 8000 rpm,and the ratios are another benefit to some engines,even with smaller cams. we dont race dyno,or flow benches, so we test in the real world,this gives us real data to go by.to learn,and or to include on the next engine done.


on page 2 people starting to tell him about shafts,lem thought there was noone making a good set, that when i started telling him about jessel it went from there. the rest of them quit typing, or quit helping. mmmmmmm


-rich

cool40 wrote:i like everyone's opinion as well,you never know what may help you out with the subject at hand.i have an idea! sometime,somewhere,some of you guys f=v(ken up this thred could get together with a shaft setup and a stud setup and a dyno and see who's got the edge.if yall still cant work it out,use the shaft set to take a swing at somebody and the guy's with the stud mounts can throw them at the other guy's and that should make a dam good use of both of them!however if one were to throw a set of shaft's it realy wouldnt be a fair test but you'd only get 2 chances at the guy with 16 rockers so we still may not be able to get a real A/B answers.

lol thats good

[quote="BOSS 429"]

schmitty wrote:Kinda come down to this, run what you want to run, it's your money do with it as you want. I would say that Randy has probably dealt with more high end engines than any of us here and if he were to suggest something to me I would definately be all ears and not be questioning his opinions. You can call me names or demean me in any way you desire, but I know where to get good solid advice and I for one appreciate his being here and helping us out.[/quote;
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schmitty , please reread all my post on this thread, im not questioning andys thoughts, only what there based on. ive already said i know he cant aford the shafts, im explaining that for what this head can do there better,hands down over 8000 rpm,and the ratios are another benefit to some engines,even with smaller cams. we dont race dyno,or flow benches, so we test in the real world,this gives us real data to go by.to learn,and or to include on the next engine done.


on page 2 people starting to tell him about shafts,lem thought there was noone making a good set, that when i started telling him about jessel it went from there. the rest of them quit typing, or quit helping. mmmmmmm


-rich

not tryen to start another pissen contest but i never said i couldnt aford shaft rockers,i have the stud deal already but i could change my mind. unless we could do the testing first :lol:then i'm stayen with the studmounts cuz i'm gona run and throw for the head as i run! you better think about it hard too cuz i could hit a state trooper car with an egg from a long way off when i was a younger man!

not tryen to start another pissen contest but i never said i couldnt aford shaft rockers,i have the stud deal already but i could change my mind. unless we could do the testing first :lol:then i'm stayen with the studmounts cuz i'm gona run and throw for the head as i run! you better think about it hard too cuz i could hit a state trooper car with an egg from a long way off when i was a younger man!


lol no worries you wont start a pissing match with me cool because i was tryin to help, i wish i could test,or dyno that engine for/with you with both,but theres a lot to do when useing shafts, pushrod holes,stand height,etc.as far as not afording them, maybe i got crossed up on the $$ part,because they are pricy.

-rich