DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
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Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
that wasn't the question.rmcomprandy wrote:With EQUAL preparation the Eddy's will be WAY on top.the Coug wrote:The Question that just baffles the Sh*t out of me is why the F^$K did they make all these sorry A$$ aluminum heads when the Doves are so Freakin much better? so why not just Pay somebody to do 200+ hours of port work so you can run some Heavy a$$ed Iron heads?
Comparing the performance level of a completely ported and prepared D0VE head to an "out of the box" Edelbrock is really kind of preposterous.
Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
Ported DOVES FTW!!!
yellowhorse7- Posts : 1382
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Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
Barney wrote:that wasn't the question.rmcomprandy wrote:With EQUAL preparation the Eddy's will be WAY on top.the Coug wrote:The Question that just baffles the Sh*t out of me is why the F^$K did they make all these sorry A$$ aluminum heads when the Doves are so Freakin much better? so why not just Pay somebody to do 200+ hours of port work so you can run some Heavy a$$ed Iron heads?
Comparing the performance level of a completely ported and prepared D0VE head to an "out of the box" Edelbrock is really kind of preposterous.
Barney, I don't see where it doesn't apply to his question. He didn't mention his budget but if he has enough money to drop on a set of Edlebrock cylinder heads I think it would be to his advantage to go with the Edlebrock cylinder heads. Rather than investing money into a set of Iron cylinder heads only to want a set of aluminum heads down the road. Everyone I know that has the opportunity to run aluminum heads will eventually wish they had.
jones- Posts : 2230
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Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
About 10 years ago we did some testing here in our shop on a 11:1 compression 557. The engine was making 670 horsepower with a home ported set of large valve DOVE-C heads. Switching to a set of out of the box Edelbrock heads gained 30 horsepower and put the output right at 700.
DaveMcLain- Posts : 399
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Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
I can think of better ways to gain 30 hp and spend 2k. You give me a set of D0VES and a few days and I'll outrun a set of eddys. But I'm only speaking for myself. It's your choice I suppose.
Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
DaveMcLain wrote:About 10 years ago we did some testing here in our shop on a 11:1 compression 557. The engine was making 670 horsepower with a home ported set of large valve DOVE-C heads. Switching to a set of out of the box Edelbrock heads gained 30 horsepower and put the output right at 700.
whats wrong with building a dove head?
sure a eddy will help et out of the box,.....IT TAKES ABOUT 75LBS OF THE FRONT OF THE CAR.
508ci dove head, made over 700hp w/ 4150 carb no nos
BOSS 429- Posts : 2372
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Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
NOTHING WRONG WITH AN EDDY HEAD, but a DOVE head can run good also
BOSS 429- Posts : 2372
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Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
BOSS 429 wrote:NOTHING WRONG WITH AN EDDY HEAD, but a DOVE head can run good also
Bullshit
yellowhorse7- Posts : 1382
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Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
yellowhorse7 wrote:BOSS 429 wrote:NOTHING WRONG WITH AN EDDY HEAD, but a DOVE head can run good also
Bullshit
lol lol lol
well ,with that /\ said let me ask this, Whats the best et anyone has ran with an eddy head @ under 510 ci in a 3200 lbs car with 1 carb,and no power adder ?
BOSS 429- Posts : 2372
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Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
so let me get this strait you take a pair of Dove Heads Cut the intake ports out and weld and install a piece of Pipe to get a big port and hundreds of hours of work and porting just so you can BS a grudge race from some guys? I call that just plain STUPID along with lieing your A$$es off about it...
the Coug- Posts : 3055
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Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
there was no pipe added,I know what your talking about, BUT NO PIPE ADDED.the Coug wrote:so let me get this strait you take a pair of Dove Heads Cut the intake ports out and weld and install a piece of Pipe to get a big port and hundreds of hours of work and porting just so you can BS a grudge race from some guys? I call that just plain STUPID along with lieing your A$$es off about it...
Yes ,its a lot of work just grinding ,and welding in the ports to make them into what and where I thought they should be. Remember I ONLY DID THEM FOR THE GUYS who had a iron head rule,or were street / grudge guys. I ve done 14 pair and I don't care to do 15, lol
now for the last part, there's no lying , all of those DOVE headed engine I built none were over 509 ci the smallest being 460 ( Jason's ).
in fact none ever never lied about the ci size, They always had the hood open in the pits on any of the DOVE headed engines, nothing was hid ,everything was there for the world to see.
As i said nothing wrong with an eddy head, I just don't have any
BOSS 429- Posts : 2372
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Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
the Coug wrote:so let me get this strait you take a pair of Dove Heads Cut the intake ports out and weld and install a piece of Pipe to get a big port and hundreds of hours of work and porting just so you can BS a grudge race from some guys? I call that just plain STUPID along with lieing your A$$es off about it...
What et does your eddy head engine run na ?
BOSS 429- Posts : 2372
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Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
I made 800 hp @ 466" with a set of Edelbrocks. But that was with 2 carbs..... Single is probably 775ish.BOSS 429 wrote:yellowhorse7 wrote:BOSS 429 wrote:NOTHING WRONG WITH AN EDDY HEAD, but a DOVE head can run good also
Bullshit
lol lol lol
well ,with that /\ said let me ask this, Whats the best et anyone has ran with an eddy head @ under 510 ci in a 3200 lbs car with 1 carb,and no power adder ?
Bob at D&D had a number of guys running very fast cars with them.
Face it the Edelbrock stuff is superior.... I don't care how good you think you are with iron Doves
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Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
^^^^ ask yourself if spending 2k+ on a set of heads is neccessary. A high school shop class can build a 50th bbf with irons.1971tjet wrote:HELLO I HAVE A QUESTION , HOW MUCH BETTER ARE THE EDELBROCK PERFORMER HEADS OVER STOCK DOVE-C HEADS AND WOULD I BE BETTER OFF TO WORK THE IRON HEADS RATHER THAN INVEST IN THESE EDELBROCKS FOR A 500 HP RANGE STREET BIG BLOCK. THANKS
Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
you just like to argue. Is edelbrock a new sponsor for the site? They must be coming out with a new product for the usual to peddle? Edelbrock makes pedestrian stuff has for years. You always throw in some I'm better than you superior comment in when the reality is pick anyone in this conversation and they could throw any current engine they have and throw it in a bathtub and outrun you that's just a fact.the Coug wrote:so let me get this strait you take a pair of Dove Heads Cut the intake ports out and weld and install a piece of Pipe to get a big port and hundreds of hours of work and porting just so you can BS a grudge race from some guys? I call that just plain STUPID along with lieing your A$$es off about it...
Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
Eddy's for $2000 is to much! OK, this mean you can port and load the head with new stainlees valves, springs and, and, for $500? you can't do it for $500. what would you charge? $1800(less or more $) to equal or better the Edelbrocks?Barney wrote:you just like to argue. Is edelbrock a new sponsor for the site? They must be coming out with a new product for the usual to peddle? Edelbrock makes pedestrian stuff has for years. You always throw in some I'm better than you superior comment in when the reality is pick anyone in this conversation and they could throw any current engine they have and throw it in a bathtub and outrun you that's just a fact.the Coug wrote:so let me get this strait you take a pair of Dove Heads Cut the intake ports out and weld and install a piece of Pipe to get a big port and hundreds of hours of work and porting just so you can BS a grudge race from some guys? I call that just plain STUPID along with lieing your A$$es off about it...
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Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
the Coug wrote:so let me get this strait you take a pair of Dove Heads Cut the intake ports out and weld and install a piece of Pipe to get a big port and hundreds of hours of work and porting just so you can BS a grudge race from some guys? I call that just plain STUPID along with lieing your A$$es off about it...
i DIDN'T KNOW GRUDGE RACING WAS AN HONEST ADVENTURE LOL.
yellowhorse7- Posts : 1382
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Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
The OP was wanting a 500 HP street engine.
A DOVE-C head with a little port work (easily done) can easily make 500+ HP on a 460 or larger displacement.
There are many references and pictures showing iron head porting - http://www.reincarnation-automotive.com/
The Eddy heads out of the box can also make 500 HP. The standard Eddy valves, springs, retainers etc. are certainly not race quality parts - however, would "do" for a street type engine.
New low cost valves, springs and retainers for the iron heads will not break the bank either.
If the OP was asking for 700 HP, then I would suggest an aluminum offering. In any case the factory EDDY's would require a complete upgrade of valves, springs and retainers anyhow.
Iron CJ heads have made north of 800 HP also!
Lets not turn this forum into a pissing match - like the old FE forum becomes (alot these days).
There are many opinions, and many ways to get to 500 hp
Cheers
A DOVE-C head with a little port work (easily done) can easily make 500+ HP on a 460 or larger displacement.
There are many references and pictures showing iron head porting - http://www.reincarnation-automotive.com/
The Eddy heads out of the box can also make 500 HP. The standard Eddy valves, springs, retainers etc. are certainly not race quality parts - however, would "do" for a street type engine.
New low cost valves, springs and retainers for the iron heads will not break the bank either.
If the OP was asking for 700 HP, then I would suggest an aluminum offering. In any case the factory EDDY's would require a complete upgrade of valves, springs and retainers anyhow.
Iron CJ heads have made north of 800 HP also!
Lets not turn this forum into a pissing match - like the old FE forum becomes (alot these days).
There are many opinions, and many ways to get to 500 hp
Cheers
68galaxie- Posts : 351
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Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
Eddy's FTW !
When you want 700+ later you can get it with them without breaking the bank. And keep in mind a set of Doves with a bunch of money in them are worth pennies on the dollar if you go to sell them later, you'll at least get decent money out of the aluminum heads.
And just to list a few other advantages...
1) aluminum is more detonation resistant
2) you loose weight off the front of the car
3) it's a lot cheaper to port later.
4) they look better than factory iron.
5) much better exhaust ports
6) easy to repair if you have an "incident"
That is all..... Carry on.
When you want 700+ later you can get it with them without breaking the bank. And keep in mind a set of Doves with a bunch of money in them are worth pennies on the dollar if you go to sell them later, you'll at least get decent money out of the aluminum heads.
And just to list a few other advantages...
1) aluminum is more detonation resistant
2) you loose weight off the front of the car
3) it's a lot cheaper to port later.
4) they look better than factory iron.
5) much better exhaust ports
6) easy to repair if you have an "incident"
That is all..... Carry on.
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Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
LOL, you make quite an argument,
However the OP has said nothing about going to 700 hp later.
If I wanted a 500 hp 460, and already had the iron heads I would just use them.
You can make all kinds of arguments to support your position that aluminum is better.
Aluminum certainly does have better properties.
Does that mean one can't make 500 hp economically with iron?
The Eddy aluminum would be my last choice for an aluminum head.
However the OP has said nothing about going to 700 hp later.
If I wanted a 500 hp 460, and already had the iron heads I would just use them.
You can make all kinds of arguments to support your position that aluminum is better.
Aluminum certainly does have better properties.
Does that mean one can't make 500 hp economically with iron?
The Eddy aluminum would be my last choice for an aluminum head.
68galaxie- Posts : 351
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Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
68galaxie wrote:The OP was wanting a 500 HP street engine.
A DOVE-C head with a little port work (easily done) can easily make 500+ HP on a 460 or larger displacement.
There are many references and pictures showing iron head porting - http://www.reincarnation-automotive.com/
The Eddy heads out of the box can also make 500 HP. The standard Eddy valves, springs, retainers etc. are certainly not race quality parts - however, would "do" for a street type engine.
New low cost valves, springs and retainers for the iron heads will not break the bank either.
If the OP was asking for 700 HP, then I would suggest an aluminum offering. In any case the factory EDDY's would require a complete upgrade of valves, springs and retainers anyhow.
Iron CJ heads have made north of 800 HP also!
Lets not turn this forum into a pissing match - like the old FE forum becomes (alot these days).
There are many opinions, and many ways to get to 500 hp
Cheers
I like this Guy^^^^
yellowhorse7- Posts : 1382
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Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
Thanks for editing my post almighty admin. This place gets better and better.
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I hope this isn't going to turn into a Furgeson deal, where there is rioting because someone did their job.Barney wrote:Thanks for editing my post almighty admin. This place gets better and better.
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Re: DOVE-C V/S EDELBROCK PERFORMER 60679
schmitty wrote:I hope this isn't going to turn into a Furgeson deal, where there is rioting because someone did their job.Barney wrote:Thanks for editing my post almighty admin. This place gets better and better.
You take your job too seriously.
It's the interwebz.....nothing more. And it's been fairly slow around here.
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Barney wrote:Thanks for editing my post almighty admin. This place gets better and better.
Schmitty strikes again! It wasn't Mike or Nick
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