Are there specialty catalogs for the 429-460 engines?

I've got Summitt and JEG'S and a slew of Mustang magazines but would really like to find a place that specializes in parts catalogs for the BBF? Do any of you guys that have speed shops put out flyers with specials or have catalogs?
Feel free to email me your website at torinocobra429scj@yahoo.com so I can show my engine builder some prices I have found on the net to compare to his suppliers!
Thanks, Troy 606-541-0193

BF Evans Ford. I don't think they have a catalogue, but they are one stop shopping!!

Bill

torinocobra429scj wrote:..... email me your website at torinocobra429scj@yahoo.com so I can show my engine builder some prices I have found on the net to compare to his suppliers!
Thanks, Troy

So what you're saying is that you have investigated several builders, you have settled on one that you trust to build your engine...and now you are going to nickel & dime him to death over price differences which don't take into consideration all his Q&A, expertise, and overall support, etc?

Hmmmmm......

Paul Kane wrote:

torinocobra429scj wrote:..... email me your website at torinocobra429scj@yahoo.com so I can show my engine builder some prices I have found on the net to compare to his suppliers!
Thanks, Troy

So what you're saying is that you have investigated several builders, you have settled on one that you trust to build your engine...and now you are going to nickel & dime him to death over price differences which don't take into consideration all his Q&A, expertise, and overall support, etc?

Hmmmmm......

Good point Paul. An engine "Builder" has more/different overhead and costs than a straight up parts supplier. If they didn't make money on the parts, the hourly shop rate would have to be much higher.

Bill

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As a shop owner myself, if the person doesnt buy the part from me then I do charge a little more to put it on...Just they way of life.

You guys really know how to answer questions... Catalogs will be for me to look at and try to see what I can afford. Thanks for nothing

Paul Kane wrote:

torinocobra429scj wrote:..... email me your website at torinocobra429scj@yahoo.com so I can show my engine builder some prices I have found on the net to compare to his suppliers!
Thanks, Troy

So what you're saying is that you have investigated several builders, you have settled on one that you trust to build your engine...and now you are going to nickel & dime him to death over price differences which don't take into consideration all his Q&A, expertise, and overall support, etc?

Hmmmmm......

damn Paul stop pissing the newbs off

torinocobra429scj wrote:You guys really know how to answer questions... Catalogs will be for me to look at and try to see what I can afford. Thanks for nothing

there are really no BBF specific catologs out there .... but i can send you a cat fromm frpp, tfs, qf, etc..... send me your addy

oh and btw ...calm down ...we are all here to help ..and i see you got your avatar working

For most part prices are usually around what you would find online. Occasionally you might see a special on one of the BBF sites but that is about it. If I have to call someone for tech help then I buy from them even if it is a few bucks more to give back for the tech help. Lem at BF is your best bet being so close. He is the only person I have ever asked a question to on the forum and he called me back 5 minutes later with more answers than I had questions.

bruno wrote:

Paul Kane wrote:

torinocobra429scj wrote:..... email me your website at torinocobra429scj@yahoo.com so I can show my engine builder some prices I have found on the net to compare to his suppliers!
Thanks, Troy

So what you're saying is that you have investigated several builders, you have settled on one that you trust to build your engine...and now you are going to nickel & dime him to death over price differences which don't take into consideration all his Q&A, expertise, and overall support, etc?

Hmmmmm......

damn Paul stop pissing the newbs off

Bruno, to be clear: I did not come here to piss anyone off and I think you know that very well about me. I am simply telling it how I see it; this is a discussion forum, isn't it?

Further, among everyone else that has thus far posted in this thread, it is obvious that their perspective seems to be in alignment with mine...so don't single me out.

Lastly, let me make something very clear about how objectively I look at this: High Flow Dynamics doesn't just build engines, we are a specialty parts manufacturer and parts seller. That's why the company was launched in the first place and that's what HFD is currently trying to keep focus on...meaning, my post is not coming with an "engine builder bias." I am posting my opinion as a parts seller and yet I am bring attention what is appropriate etiquette for prospecting engine builder customers.

Paul

torinocobra429scj wrote:Catalogs will be for me to look at and try to see what I can afford. Thanks for nothing

Thanks for nothing??? I think this is significant advice and insight being offered to you in regards to how you might wish to interact with your engine builder and not piss him off. It's called "etiquette."

And don't change your story,saying this was just "to look at and try to see what I can afford," it's all in your initial post.

Is the point I am trying to make a pet peeve? Maybe just a little bit. But much more than that, I simply feel very strongly about what is right and just. And proper. You might want to think twice before coming onto an Engine Build forum(s), of all places, and asking for angles that will be used to beat down your engine builder for his pricing, let alone that you are asking how to "price-weasel" him by way of dismissing a-a-a-a-all that he is doing for you.

And so all things considered, I think I am being pretty damn polite right now.



Paul

Damn Paul.....you sure can type
This whole thing aint no big........let's all chill and let's get back to having fun

I'm done Lem. Day's over; pass me a beer.

I have found that my machinist usually beats Summit by a good margin. If it is even close, I prefer to buy from somebody I know.

Paul i was just being funny ...still am

Paul Kane wrote:

torinocobra429scj wrote:..... email me your website at torinocobra429scj@yahoo.com so I can show my engine builder some prices I have found on the net to compare to his suppliers!
Thanks, Troy

So what you're saying is that you have investigated several builders, you have settled on one that you trust to build your engine...and now you are going to nickel & dime him to death over price differences which don't take into consideration all his Q&A, expertise, and overall support, etc?

Hmmmmm......

i didnt use an engine builder, built mine myself. So then is it ok to save some money on a multi thousand dollar build....just asking

The way I read the question is like this: I see all these sbc bbc and sbf parts ins all these catalogs but nothing for the bbf.

Depends on what type of engine you want to build. There isn't as many heads out there in comparision to the others. Scat, Eagle, RPM, FRPP, TFS, Edelbrock, etc are your basic off the shelf build parts. beyond that it's basicly custom parts.

If you want the goodies for the BBF you really have to dig and keep an eye out for them. Lem can either get or make just about anything you could want for your 429/460. The reason for the lack of support is due to the fact that the BBF hasn't been popular for as long as say a 302 or a BBC 454. Heck you can still go down to a wrecker and pick up a few 460 cores for half a weeks pay but if you want to get a 454 core you'd better save up for a couple months and have oe hell of a killer hook up!

I think that *I* can actually speak on this... since I am NOT an engine builder, machinst or any kind of professional wrench. *I* rely on the smarts of professionals, and while im FAR from loaded with cash. I am willing to pay for good customer service (which is almost as important to me) AND the specific knowlege related to building my (big block ford) engine.

Even if I can physically get an engine together and it ran without problems... would *I* know what combo to buy? would I know some of the ins and outs of what it takes to make a specific build "work"... we can all talk about 4.3 or 4.5 inch stroke cranks on here... but im willing to bet that few here actually know what bearings, clearances, ring gaps, pushrod lengths, valve train geometrys, what custom cam specs to use etc etc... in other words... *I* paid for that knowlege... *I* paid for an engine that was DONE, turn key... NO issuses... *I* dont have to post on here asking tons of questions as to why this and that wont work, or what if this and that... cause my engine is DONE... DYNO proven, tuned and ready to drive... *THATS* what I paid a professional engine builder for.

Could I have bought the individual parts for cheaper than I paid for.... possibly.. although I believe that the prices I paid were right there with the best deals available.... AND I feel like I got the best customer service, which was WELL worth my money. I was able to ask questions about the things I had read/learned on the forums. I was able to ask the what-ifs about parts selections, my intended use, AND price... I was given a quote (even with many open ends and what-ifs left on parts selection)... and as the build went on, I was called and asked/coached on how to proceed. I was afforded the opprotunity to watch my engine run on the dyno and given the dyno results. My engine is now installed (by a local fabricator) and does everything I expected and more...

bottom line... you learn about parts and whats avail for your big block ford on these forums... if your like me, and NOT a professional engine builder, and want a high(er) end build... you seek a professional, and PAY them for not only their physical labor, but their experience too.

Shane

my engine was build by Jet Boat Bob / Lem Evans (BF Evans Ford)

It's this kind of BS that inspired me to require a $50.00 consultation fee (to be credited towards any purchase) from anyone that wants me to spec a build for them. Funny how quickly the conversation ends with some people when I inform them of the policy.

Paul Kane wrote:[\]So what you're saying is that you have investigated several builders, you have settled on one that you trust to build your engine...and now you are going to nickel & dime him to death over price differences which don't take into consideration all his Q&A, expertise, and overall support, etc?

Hmmmmm......

Hey Paul,

Don't take this wrong but I think I love you.


G-

Jon

I do build engines for a living and I guess that means I can have an oppinion about this,
I have three ways I'll build an engine:
1. The customer will get ALL the parts, right down to the last gasket, nut & bolt and I charge him simply my labor fee to put it all together correctly. A lot of the time, the parts which have been supplied DON'T fit and my time to modify those parts WILL be charged. I will supply NO PARTS for that build. IF there is a stoppage because he didn't get something, it will be put on hold untill HE gets it. Again, I supply nothing except what is involved with doing the labor and incidentals for assembly. This usually ends with the customer paying his bill and picking up his unfinished engine because that customer didn't fully realize ALL the parts involved in the project or how they interact with fitment to one another.
2. I will build the engine with parts I supply for the job to be done, (because I have found certain parts to fit without modifications or do that job better than others), and all the nit-pick stuff I will also supply and get the job done in a timely manner.
3. The customer brings me a core engine and I supply the needed parts to rebuild and modify it to fit best into whatever type venue it will be used with his end budget in mind.

The last two options create good will and satisfied customers.
The first option creates animosity because, that customer thought he knew what was needed and he is perplexed because I won't help with HIS decisions. Now he has no recourse except to proclaim I am a "bad guy" however, he CAN'T claim that I cheated him; (which is probably the reason he insisted to get his own parts to begin with).

Damn, the way I read it is the guy wanted to know if there were any specific BBF catalogs out there. It's a legitimate question and I think FAR too much has been read into it.

Gee, for a BBf-noob, it's freakin' tough to find what is available for them. Since they are not a typical catalog 'feature engine' you are left scouring the internet for information. 24/7 internet is a luxury not everyone has access to. Even then, it's no cake walk.

rmcomprandy wrote:I do build engines for a living and I guess that means I can have an oppinion about this,
I have three ways I'll build an engine:
1. The customer will get ALL the parts, right down to the last gasket, nut & bolt and I charge him simply my labor fee to put it all together correctly. A lot of the time, the parts which have been supplied DON'T fit and my time to modify those parts WILL be charged. I will supply NO PARTS for that build. IF there is a stoppage because he didn't get something, it will be put on hold untill HE gets it. Again, I supply nothing except what is involved with doing the labor and incidentals for assembly. This usually ends with the customer paying his bill and picking up his unfinished engine because that customer didn't fully realize ALL the parts involved in the project or how they interact with fitment to one another.
2. I will build the engine with parts I supply for the job to be done, (because I have found certain parts to fit without modifications or do that job better than others), and all the nit-pick stuff I will also supply and get the job done in a timely manner.
3. The customer brings me a core engine and I supply the needed parts to rebuild and modify it to fit best into whatever type venue it will be used with his end budget in mind.

The last two options create good will and satisfied customers.
The first option creates animosity because, that customer thought he knew what was needed and he is perplexed because I won't help with HIS decisions. Now he has no recourse except to proclaim I am a "bad guy" however, he CAN'T claim that I cheated him; (which is probably the reason he insisted to get his own parts to begin with).

In my position i train my guys to educate the customer so we never have a #1