Are there specialty catalogs for the 429-460 engines?

bigblok2000ranger wrote:Randy I will admit I took your comment out of context also, the clarification sounds alot better disposition than the way some things seemed to be headed. Working with an engine builder to assemble what I have come up with as a combo is a nice experience. But I understand things don't always fit out of the box as well and have no problem when things need to be adjusted or modified.

x2

I understand better now, too .

Merry Christmas everybody!
Michael

96Mustang460cid wrote:Besides...how do I hide the 'true' cost from my wife if I write a check for $$$ to pay the engine builder?

Michael

I used to save my overtime seperately from the common funds when I was married... then when I bought a new carb... I took $50 dollars from the common funds, and the other $700 from my hidden funds...

but its much easier just NOT being married now, to write Lem a check for $XXXXX.xx

Shane

TorinoGT wrote:

96Mustang460cid wrote:Besides...how do I hide the 'true' cost from my wife if I write a check for $$$ to pay the engine builder?

Michael

I used to save my overtime seperately from the common funds when I was married... then when I bought a new carb... I took $50 dollars from the common funds, and the other $700 from my hidden funds...

but its much easier just NOT being married now, to write Lem a check for $XXXXX.xx

Shane

damn right!!!! on the last line!!!

rmcomprandy wrote:My comments are being taken completely Out Of Context.

If a person has no problem with "adjusting" the parts he has and paying me to do so, then that is not a problem.
The "Context" was and the problem is that person, (and there are a LOT of them), getting his own parts to save a few dollars and assumes that everything he got is now "ready to go" and believes there is no need to further spend any time or money making them right.
THAT was the context as I understood it to be.

OR, as Paul said, someone who bickers about only a few dollars to "nickel & dime you to death", because he wants the lowest price he has found for any part to be matched. I and other professional builders are NOT "Best Buy".

I have no problem working WITH somebody if they are not dictatorial and realize the parts they have may not be dimensionally correct or may be incorrect altogether.
I have built several complete engines for members on this forum who understand the "working with" philosophy.

Whenever I stop by my neighbor's house or The Shop, and a "race" deal is going together, there is always some grinding, adjusting, cussing, etc. It would appear that the more expensive the parts are, the worse they fit together. Little things like the rivet thingy that holds the mls head gasket together happens to be directly between the head and deck in certain combinations. What if you don't see that and don't grind for clearance? Head gasket blows, and you are an asshole.......

Shaft rocker system on an aluminum SB Chrysler head has the rollers falling off the top of the valve....


How many times and how much have these used 80's vintage pro stock heads been milled? You want them on your stock block?

Hey, can you have that together for me in an hour?


And the local grudge racer guy that takes the perfectly running motor to a "secret" test location to try out the N20 and fries the pistons time after time after time , but HAS TO HAVE IT BACK next weekend for a money race.


My junk is too slow and mundane for all these problems....

cletus66 wrote:

rmcomprandy wrote:My comments are being taken completely Out Of Context.

If a person has no problem with "adjusting" the parts he has and paying me to do so, then that is not a problem.
The "Context" was and the problem is that person, (and there are a LOT of them), getting his own parts to save a few dollars and assumes that everything he got is now "ready to go" and believes there is no need to further spend any time or money making them right.
THAT was the context as I understood it to be.

OR, as Paul said, someone who bickers about only a few dollars to "nickel & dime you to death", because he wants the lowest price he has found for any part to be matched. I and other professional builders are NOT "Best Buy".

I have no problem working WITH somebody if they are not dictatorial and realize the parts they have may not be dimensionally correct or may be incorrect altogether.
I have built several complete engines for members on this forum who understand the "working with" philosophy.

Whenever I stop by my neighbor's house or The Shop, and a "race" deal is going together, there is always some grinding, adjusting, cussing, etc. It would appear that the more expensive the parts are, the worse they fit together. Little things like the rivet thingy that holds the mls head gasket together happens to be directly between the head and deck in certain combinations. What if you don't see that and don't grind for clearance? Head gasket blows, and you are an asshole.......

Shaft rocker system on an aluminum SB Chrysler head has the rollers falling off the top of the valve....


How many times and how much have these used 80's vintage pro stock heads been milled? You want them on your stock block?

Hey, can you have that together for me in an hour?


And the local grudge racer guy that takes the perfectly running motor to a "secret" test location to try out the N20 and fries the pistons time after time after time , but HAS TO HAVE IT BACK next weekend for a money race.


My junk is too slow and mundane for all these problems....

I have to at least giggle at the thoughts of this. Are you standing there watching???
One of these scenarios probably happens every week during racing season...!

rmcomprandy wrote:

cletus66 wrote:

rmcomprandy wrote:My comments are being taken completely Out Of Context.

If a person has no problem with "adjusting" the parts he has and paying me to do so, then that is not a problem.
The "Context" was and the problem is that person, (and there are a LOT of them), getting his own parts to save a few dollars and assumes that everything he got is now "ready to go" and believes there is no need to further spend any time or money making them right.
THAT was the context as I understood it to be.

OR, as Paul said, someone who bickers about only a few dollars to "nickel & dime you to death", because he wants the lowest price he has found for any part to be matched. I and other professional builders are NOT "Best Buy".

I have no problem working WITH somebody if they are not dictatorial and realize the parts they have may not be dimensionally correct or may be incorrect altogether.
I have built several complete engines for members on this forum who understand the "working with" philosophy.

Whenever I stop by my neighbor's house or The Shop, and a "race" deal is going together, there is always some grinding, adjusting, cussing, etc. It would appear that the more expensive the parts are, the worse they fit together. Little things like the rivet thingy that holds the mls head gasket together happens to be directly between the head and deck in certain combinations. What if you don't see that and don't grind for clearance? Head gasket blows, and you are an asshole.......

Shaft rocker system on an aluminum SB Chrysler head has the rollers falling off the top of the valve....


How many times and how much have these used 80's vintage pro stock heads been milled? You want them on your stock block?

Hey, can you have that together for me in an hour?


And the local grudge racer guy that takes the perfectly running motor to a "secret" test location to try out the N20 and fries the pistons time after time after time , but HAS TO HAVE IT BACK next weekend for a money race.


My junk is too slow and mundane for all these problems....

I have to at least giggle at the thoughts of this. Are you standing there watching???
One of these scenarios probably happens every week during racing season...!

I have been the fly on the wall.

PayPal fixes the "wife problem". You sell junk on ebay and it goes into the Paypal account. You buy race stuff using the paypal account. No statements ever hit the house and she never knows it's happening. Unless you sold the dishwasher.....

Barry_R wrote:PayPal fixes the "wife problem". You sell junk on ebay and it goes into the Paypal account. You buy race stuff using the paypal account. No statements ever hit the house and she never knows it's happening. Unless you sold the dishwasher.....

Hummmm..... Sell the dish Washer...

I'm guessing Barry is a pro in this area....

Barry_R wrote:PayPal fixes the "wife problem". You sell junk on ebay and it goes into the Paypal account. You buy race stuff using the paypal account. No statements ever hit the house and she never knows it's happening. Unless you sold the dishwasher.....

The wife might figure it out when I start packing her bags! LOL!

bigblok2000ranger wrote:

Barry_R wrote:PayPal fixes the "wife problem". You sell junk on ebay and it goes into the Paypal account. You buy race stuff using the paypal account. No statements ever hit the house and she never knows it's happening. Unless you sold the dishwasher.....

The wife might figure it out when I start packing her bags! LOL!

Carl wrote:It's this kind of BS that inspired me to require a $50.00 consultation fee (to be credited towards any purchase) from anyone that wants me to spec a build for them. Funny how quickly the conversation ends with some people when I inform them of the policy.

And i do wonder how much $ that has cost you in lost business because of that policy ? first impressions mean a lot to some people, if i was interested in your services and you told me its 50 bucks to talk about a combo i'd walk too heck i don't get all the drywall jobs i bid on but the ones i do land make up for the ones i measured and didn't get thats part of business you can't get them all. Lem never charged me for talking about a combo and in return i didn't get the feeling he's a guy that thinks his s*** don't stink which later on led to me spending several thousand dollars with him. jmo

nuclearcobra wrote:

Carl wrote:It's this kind of BS that inspired me to require a $50.00 consultation fee (to be credited towards any purchase) from anyone that wants me to spec a build for them. Funny how quickly the conversation ends with some people when I inform them of the policy.

And i do wonder how much $ that has cost you in lost business because of that policy ? first impressions mean a lot to some people, if i was interested in your services and you told me its 50 bucks to talk about a combo i'd walk too heck i don't get all the drywall jobs i bid on but the ones i do land make up for the ones i measured and didn't get thats part of business you can't get them all. Lem never charged me for talking about a combo and in return i didn't get the feeling he's a guy that thinks his s*** don't stink which later on led to me spending several thousand dollars with him. jmo

It has nothing to do with thinking "my shit don't stink". I'm happy to talk to people about their projects. The problem is, there's a large segment of our society who have absolutely no problem with taking an hour or more of my time to figure out their combo, then going to Summit or whoever and buying from them to save a few bucks. There's no question I lose business over it, but there's an old saying....."some of the best customers you'll ever have are the ones who walk away".

The policy really only comes into play when they start pushing me for specifics on cam profiles or compression ratios, but they haven't commited to a purchase. You can either tell me what parts you want to use, or let me spec them for your build based on the info you've given me. If you want me to tell you HOW to build the engine, you're going to have to compensate me for my time. A chef isn't going to teach his customer's how to cook their own meals for free and I'm sure you're not going to teach people to hang their own drywall for free. Why should I be expected to tell people how to build their engine's for free.

I have to disagree with the consulting fee. I sell parts. And I am more than happy to discuss engine combos with potential customers. I also build engines with at least a degree of success, but the guys who purchase parts to do it themselves are a very large and important segment of my business. Experience is the greatest teacher, and one man will never accumulate the experience of hundreds. At 52 years old, with over twenty years directly employed with a couple of the largest component manufacturers in the performance, I still learn more from my customers than they do from me.

Just my opinion....

I understand where your coming from but when you posted that it sounded like you don't talk about a build without getting $50 unfront first, then when you said the policy only really comes into play when they start pushing for specifics i understand that, it would be like after Scotty J gave me the specs on my custom cam i go elsewhere to have it made. No offence meant Carl

When I wanted to try a solid flat tappet cam in my 460, I called Randy and told him what I wanted the car to do. I didn't ask for specifics about lift, duration, or any of that. He sent me a cam that idled and ran a LOT better than the hydraulic I had, and it went 2 mph faster in the 1/8 mile. Your mother could drive this car now, which is what I wanted in this soon to be street mill. How much is that worth???

How much is that worth???

$50.00.

Carl wrote:

How much is that worth???

$50.00.

cletus66 wrote:

Carl wrote:

How much is that worth???

$50.00.

That was a good reply Carl ya got me lmao on that one

nuclearcobra wrote:

cletus66 wrote:

Carl wrote:

How much is that worth???

$50.00.

That was a good reply Carl ya got me lmao on that one

And how much is that worth?

As hard as i was rolling at least $50

Carl wrote:

nuclearcobra wrote:

cletus66 wrote:

Carl wrote:

How much is that worth???

$50.00.

That was a good reply Carl ya got me lmao on that one

And how much is that worth?

priceless!