cubic inch vs. "the budget"

bruno wrote:you could stick sponges in the horses noses as a restriction , maybe for training purposes , or to slow the horse down

Well guys, Nick does know what "sponging" a race horse is. It is illegal and was done back in the day, in order to make the odds on favorite, run a poor race and lose. The gamblers often had connections with some people of "bad character" in the stables. They would stuff sponges up a horse's nostrils the night before a race. Restrictor plate racing is a good analogy.

Charlie

Charlie, are the CNC ported A460s that TFS sells any good? How do they compare to the C head? As good as an out of the box C head with a good valve job? Slightly better or worse? Or does the C head just blow them away?

Out of the box C's are really not that good. The castings are made to be ported to customer spec's. Yes the ported A's will kick the pants off of unported C's.

schmitty wrote:Out of the box C's are really not that good. The castings are made to be ported to customer spec's. Yes the ported A's will kick the pants off of unported C's.

Not all that suprising I guess. Really I'm just wondering how good the CNC job is from TFS, I'd bet the valve job is probably hit or miss on the out of the box heads based on past experience with their SBF stuff.

schmitty wrote:Out of the box C's are really not that good. The castings are made to be ported to customer spec's. Yes the ported A's will kick the pants off of unported C's.

Good point Rob....and...at this point TFS has small port castings that they use for the cnc porting which would not perform well if ran as cast.

c.evans wrote:

bruno wrote:you could stick sponges in the horses noses as a restriction , maybe for training purposes , or to slow the horse down

Well guys, Nick does know what "sponging" a race horse is. It is illegal and was done back in the day, in order to make the odds on favorite, run a poor race and lose. The gamblers often had connections with some people of "bad character" in the stables. They would stuff sponges up a horse's nostrils the night before a race. Restrictor plate racing is a good analogy.

Charlie

i did do well in some classes

bruno wrote:

c.evans wrote:

bruno wrote:you could stick sponges in the horses noses as a restriction , maybe for training purposes , or to slow the horse down

Well guys, Nick does know what "sponging" a race horse is. It is illegal and was done back in the day, in order to make the odds on favorite, run a poor race and lose. The gamblers often had connections with some people of "bad character" in the stables. They would stuff sponges up a horse's nostrils the night before a race. Restrictor plate racing is a good analogy.

Charlie

i did do well in some classes

YHA! THE BOOKIE CLASS

This has been a very educational thread, tonight I am going to sponge my wife while she is asleep. I may be able to catch her and actually have a sex life after that....

SilvatungDevil wrote:This has been a very educational thread, tonight I am going to sponge my wife while she is asleep. I may be able to catch her and actually have a sex life after that....

If you can't catch her now...... How you expect to finish the job????

these MBE A-460 cylider heads can get you easily 1200 + with a single carb .....

http://www.mbellc.com/index.php/component/virtuemart/?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=43

605FOX wrote:these MBE A-460 cylider heads can get you easily 1200 + with a single carb .....

http://www.mbellc.com/index.php/component/virtuemart/?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=43

Any Dyno Sheets avaliable?

605FOX wrote:these MBE A-460 cylider heads can get you easily 1200 + with a single carb .....

http://www.mbellc.com/index.php/component/virtuemart/?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=43

easy?... smells like bs to me

Their A head out flows their C head, also. They used a smaller valve in the C heads. I know a few people that have got 535+ with C heads.

138 wrote:

605FOX wrote:these MBE A-460 cylider heads can get you easily 1200 + with a single carb .....

http://www.mbellc.com/index.php/component/virtuemart/?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=43

easy?... smells like bs to me

i wouldnt call bs on it quite yet ........ you never know what you could get for a 20,000 cylinder head .... i mean look at the intake for it ---- its probably 5,000 dollars for the cast deal

I'd like to see some real data on them.........

bruno wrote:

138 wrote:

605FOX wrote:these MBE A-460 cylider heads can get you easily 1200 + with a single carb .....

http://www.mbellc.com/index.php/component/virtuemart/?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=43

easy?... smells like bs to me

i wouldnt call bs on it quite yet ........ you never know what you could get for a 20,000 cylinder head .... i mean look at the intake for it ---- its probably 5,000 dollars for the cast deal

well not really , 9800 for the heads and intake

look at the ford prostock and dodge prostock heads-same head?

Darrin Gorham wrote:look at the ford prostock and dodge prostock heads-same head?

Ford has released TWO different design Pro Stock cylinder heads a couple years ago.

rmcomprandy wrote:

Darrin Gorham wrote:look at the ford prostock and dodge prostock heads-same head?

Ford has released TWO different design Pro Stock cylinder heads a couple years ago.

they run about 2200 each bare , and i probably would have to run to carbs on those suckers ......etc... etc....

Good reading fellas. Thx

bruno wrote:

rmcomprandy wrote:

Darrin Gorham wrote:look at the ford prostock and dodge prostock heads-same head?

Ford has released TWO different design Pro Stock cylinder heads a couple years ago.

they run about 2200 each bare , and i probably would have to run to carbs on those suckers ......etc... etc....

Wanting to be the Cig Bock on the block ain't cheap......

what did you decide Bruno ???

605FOX wrote:what did you decide Bruno ???

nothing yet ..... i have a couple of other projects im working on ....

im thinking about leaving the eddies on there this go around and just changing the stroke/compression like Lem had suggested in a post.

same bore, 4.6 arm for 601 cubes raise the compression to say 14 - 14.5 by milling the head and changing the cam ...what rod will i need ?

bruno wrote:

605FOX wrote:what did you decide Bruno ???

nothing yet ..... i have a couple of other projects im working on ....

im thinking about leaving the eddies on there this go around and just changing the stroke/compression like Lem had suggested in a post.

same bore, 4.6 arm for 601 cubes raise the compression to say 14 - 14.5 by milling the head and changing the cam ...what rod will i need ?

i would go with the 4.5 deal but thats me , mainly for the ease of tuning with the small tire . did you ever get to mess with that digital 7 much ?

bruno wrote:

605FOX wrote:what did you decide Bruno ???

nothing yet ..... i have a couple of other projects im working on ....

im thinking about leaving the eddies on there this go around and just changing the stroke/compression like Lem had suggested in a post.

same bore, 4.6 arm for 601 cubes raise the compression to say 14 - 14.5 by milling the head and changing the cam ...what rod will i need ?

Don't mill the heads...you will have to buy new p.rods if you do and the extra swept volume of the larger cylinders will give you a nice bump in the comp. ratio anyway.